Some Toy Story 3 tidbits from EW.com
First, from a prediction of this weekend’s box office:
Ladies and gentleman, welcome to the summer of Pixar. Once all the dust settles on this summer of unoriginality, the one shining bright spot will be Pixar’s latest adventure following Buzz and Woody. In fact, the film was beloved by audiences over the last week, it already earned $155 million in the last six days. This movie is sure to beat Iron Man 2‘s overall gross, and will most likely become the highest-grossing film of the summer.
I had predicted (before it opened - really!!!) that this will be the biggest movie of the summer because A) its Brilliant B) it appeals to all ages and C) Its BRILLIANT!
Yesterday at Box Office Mojo they reported: "Dominating the box office, Toy Story 3 grossed a stellar $167.6 million in its first seven days." ...to infinity....and BEYOND!!!
Second, check out this http://movie-critics.ew.com/2010/06/21/its-okay-for-men-to-cry-at-toy-story-3/ I will go on record that I and my similarly aged movie buddy also cried for the last half hour or so... mush ball that I am I was teary in several other moments during the film. But I (and the entire audience) also laughed uproariously during the film, too. It has everything you could want in entertainment: action, romance, fun, tenderness, betrayal, heroics...Shakespeare would love this.
And BIG story… the boy behind the voice of ANDY:
http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/06/18/toy-story-3-john-morris-andy/ that was online in June 18th.
Interesting that in the latest print issue, (dated July 2) the article has a bit different information: He went to an open call for boys, who were told to bring their one favorite toy. “I brought 45 X-Men figures and dumped them all out on the floor,” says Morris, now 25. “I remember [the Pixar team] bursting out in laughter. I couldn’t choose just one. It was all part of a set. I think Pixar got that.”
How perfect…and how great that the PIXAR team recognized it. Also cool that they kept the same actor for all 3 movies…
OK, that’s it.
Namaste, Yinz
Saturday, June 26, 2010
Monday, May 31, 2010
The End, More Musings and DVD Alert
DVD Alert - in the version of Doc Jensen's review of the series finale in the Entertainment Weekly double issue of June 4/11, he states: "The producers are planning to address some lingering mysteries with special content on the season 6 DVD (available in August). On the menu: Waaaaalt!"
Ok, now my Musings.
I have watched the The End twice now, parts 3 times. Every time I see something I missed...no doubt because of crying or note taking. Several things that struck me the last go 'round:
1. When the Jack's Island group first meets up with Smocke and Kate starts shooting, with no harm to him, Smocke smirks and tells her "she might want to save her bullets". I totally missed that the first time. So, when she later pops him one and says "I saved you a bullet...." well, HA! Take that, Smockey Boy.... gives it another layer of satisfaction.
2. The first time we see Jack's body after his return to the well of the Golden Light and turning on whatever Desmond turned off its at the waterfall pond, the same place, in the same position as was MIB's so long ago when discovered by brother Jacob. Only this time...we do see Jack start to move.
3. I so missed the connection that the reason Charlie was asleep backstage at the concert was because Hurley had shot him...and it must have been Hurley who left the note. Duh.
Now, as this has been churning in my brain, I do wonder why Jacob's sending his brother's body into the Golden Light Tunnel set loose the Monster, and why Desmond's going in and "unplugging" the Well destroyed it. Or whatever happened that made Smocke mortal again. But with further thought, I realized that no one knew what was going on. Sort of like real life. Not just philosophically, but pretty much everywhere. Humanity likes to think we are in control (our rules) but usually the joke's on us.
See Bill Bryson's A SHORT HISTORY OF NEARLY EVERYTHING, in which he attempts to understand "how we went from there being nothing at all to there being something, and then how a little of that something turned into us, and also what happened between and since." The simple (hah!) goal of his book is to capture the excitement of science and "to see if it isn't possible to understand and appreciate - marvel at, enjoy, even - the wonder and accomplishments of science at a level that isn't too technical or demanding, but isn't entirely superficial, either." I think he does a darn good job. So from the stars to the earth's core, from atoms to quarks, supervocanoes to ice ages, he searches. I learned a lot...(most disturbing, in Chapter 15 "Dangerous Beauty", is that virtually all of Yellowstone Park is the worlds' largest Supervolcano...and is due to erupt again...!) but what struck me the most was how many times scientists say "we don't know why..." It's too much to go into here, but I started keeping track of all the things the experts can't explain and have over 25 page citations noted. My point... we don't know what's going on a lot of the time...we can make up rules, guidelines to help us navigate what we (think) we know, like wash your hands, don't run out into traffic, only you can prevent forest fires, be good to your elders, never tickle a sleeping dragon, you know...the basics. So, from Faux Mom to Jacob to Jack to Hurley they try to keep the balance between the Golden Light and The Smoke Monster as best they can.
I do have one little idea that came as I was writing...perhaps intent has something to do with it. When Jacob shoved MIB into the tunnel he was full of anger and rage... when Desmond and later Jack went in, they were trying to help, to heal. I need to mull this over a bit.
So...besides reading the Bryson book, what to do now with all this "after LOST is over" time?
Well, here are a couple of immediate ideas:
First, this Thursday, 2 great shows on the USA Network start their new seasons, BURN NOTICE and ROYAL PAINS. You can catch up with them on their marathons this week...or catch up at the USA website http://www.usanetwork.com/index.html
Second, TOY STORY 3 is coming out on June 18th!!!! I am so excited I could burst. I adore the first two films... Leonard Maltin describes them "a grown-up story masquerading as a kid's film, ...[a] story of friendship, fickleness, and the need for acceptance..." and its sequel is one of the few times a TWO lived up to and topped the original. If you were ever a child and had a favorite toy, you will love these films. They tap the heart of being a child, the fears of childhood we carry with us at any age, the longings for a home and friends, in much the same way as the classic The Wizard of Oz. And besides, how can you resist Mr. and Mrs Potato Head!?!?!? I know I am going to watch the first 2 again in preparation...if you haven't seen them, wow, what a treat awaits you!!!!
Ok, that should keep you going for a while... until later, Dudes.
Namaste, Yinz
Ok, now my Musings.
I have watched the The End twice now, parts 3 times. Every time I see something I missed...no doubt because of crying or note taking. Several things that struck me the last go 'round:
1. When the Jack's Island group first meets up with Smocke and Kate starts shooting, with no harm to him, Smocke smirks and tells her "she might want to save her bullets". I totally missed that the first time. So, when she later pops him one and says "I saved you a bullet...." well, HA! Take that, Smockey Boy.... gives it another layer of satisfaction.
2. The first time we see Jack's body after his return to the well of the Golden Light and turning on whatever Desmond turned off its at the waterfall pond, the same place, in the same position as was MIB's so long ago when discovered by brother Jacob. Only this time...we do see Jack start to move.
3. I so missed the connection that the reason Charlie was asleep backstage at the concert was because Hurley had shot him...and it must have been Hurley who left the note. Duh.
Now, as this has been churning in my brain, I do wonder why Jacob's sending his brother's body into the Golden Light Tunnel set loose the Monster, and why Desmond's going in and "unplugging" the Well destroyed it. Or whatever happened that made Smocke mortal again. But with further thought, I realized that no one knew what was going on. Sort of like real life. Not just philosophically, but pretty much everywhere. Humanity likes to think we are in control (our rules) but usually the joke's on us.
See Bill Bryson's A SHORT HISTORY OF NEARLY EVERYTHING, in which he attempts to understand "how we went from there being nothing at all to there being something, and then how a little of that something turned into us, and also what happened between and since." The simple (hah!) goal of his book is to capture the excitement of science and "to see if it isn't possible to understand and appreciate - marvel at, enjoy, even - the wonder and accomplishments of science at a level that isn't too technical or demanding, but isn't entirely superficial, either." I think he does a darn good job. So from the stars to the earth's core, from atoms to quarks, supervocanoes to ice ages, he searches. I learned a lot...(most disturbing, in Chapter 15 "Dangerous Beauty", is that virtually all of Yellowstone Park is the worlds' largest Supervolcano...and is due to erupt again...!) but what struck me the most was how many times scientists say "we don't know why..." It's too much to go into here, but I started keeping track of all the things the experts can't explain and have over 25 page citations noted. My point... we don't know what's going on a lot of the time...we can make up rules, guidelines to help us navigate what we (think) we know, like wash your hands, don't run out into traffic, only you can prevent forest fires, be good to your elders, never tickle a sleeping dragon, you know...the basics. So, from Faux Mom to Jacob to Jack to Hurley they try to keep the balance between the Golden Light and The Smoke Monster as best they can.
I do have one little idea that came as I was writing...perhaps intent has something to do with it. When Jacob shoved MIB into the tunnel he was full of anger and rage... when Desmond and later Jack went in, they were trying to help, to heal. I need to mull this over a bit.
So...besides reading the Bryson book, what to do now with all this "after LOST is over" time?
Well, here are a couple of immediate ideas:
First, this Thursday, 2 great shows on the USA Network start their new seasons, BURN NOTICE and ROYAL PAINS. You can catch up with them on their marathons this week...or catch up at the USA website http://www.usanetwork.com/index.html
Second, TOY STORY 3 is coming out on June 18th!!!! I am so excited I could burst. I adore the first two films... Leonard Maltin describes them "a grown-up story masquerading as a kid's film, ...[a] story of friendship, fickleness, and the need for acceptance..." and its sequel is one of the few times a TWO lived up to and topped the original. If you were ever a child and had a favorite toy, you will love these films. They tap the heart of being a child, the fears of childhood we carry with us at any age, the longings for a home and friends, in much the same way as the classic The Wizard of Oz. And besides, how can you resist Mr. and Mrs Potato Head!?!?!? I know I am going to watch the first 2 again in preparation...if you haven't seen them, wow, what a treat awaits you!!!!
Ok, that should keep you going for a while... until later, Dudes.
Namaste, Yinz
Thursday, May 27, 2010
Tidbit: The End: Interesting Analysis
My niece and huge LOST fan Jennifer sent this to me, a link to a great summation.
Enjoy!
An interesting take on LOST from the Mix 107.3 website blog of one of their DJays.
Actually, she found this recap on a different site…
http://www.mix1073fm.com/article.asp?id=1818985
Namaste, Yinz!
Enjoy!
An interesting take on LOST from the Mix 107.3 website blog of one of their DJays.
Actually, she found this recap on a different site…
http://www.mix1073fm.com/article.asp?id=1818985
Namaste, Yinz!
Wednesday, May 26, 2010
LOST Lunch 6.17 & 6.18, The End
Hard to believe after all this time that this was the last meeting of our little group. In attendence today were Phyllis, Carol, Melissa and your humble reporter. Much to my surprise, all LOVED The End. OK, Melissa REALLY loved it, she's watched it 3 times already.
Granted, we got reports of those of the opposite reaction - Hated It. Phyllis' daughter and the now gone to greener pastures (job that is) Kristina. As they were not present I can't give their point of view.
In general, for us, we found the emotions wonderful, we didn't feel or expect every question to be answered. Of course we were thrilled that Desmond didn't die. Phyllis observed that when we saw him on the plane in Sideways World wearing a wedding band it meant that he WAS married to Penny...just after the time on the Island. Excellent.
Big Moment: One of the most moving scenes for me was the goodbye between Jack and Sawyer. Jack: "Good luck to you, James." Sawyer: "Thanks, Doc, for everything." All animosity and jealousy gone, each now recognizing the strengths of the other. Mega hankie moment.
Much to my surprise, everyone had stayed up to watch Jimmy Kimmel Live...even Phyllis who usually gets up at the crack of dawn. But it seemed everyone was too wound up post-show to sleep. Carol felt it was almost disappointing to see the real actors, and I agree that Alan Dale, aka Charles Widmore, seemed less than comfortable. But some of the banter was cute and the 3 "alternate endings" were a hoot. Kudos to Bob Newhart!!!
Carol reported that she spotted Kate wearing different clothes outside the church and inside the church at the end. I completely missed that.
Phyllis noted Doc Jensen's excellent recap http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20388269,00.html
(he really did well at the end... thanks, Doc!) and his theory on why Ben did not go into the church - saying he still had some things to do. [This is in his Part Two, from May 25th] Doc speculates that the group inside was connected by being on Flight 815 and the crash "belonged" to Desmond as he caused the crash. Ben "will become another Desmond...and gather his own spiritual clan" including, maybe, Alex, Roger Linus, Miles, and others. We all really liked that. Also may be why they weren't in the church at the end...
I commented (if I can read my scribbled notes correctly) that we will keep thinking about things...like Walt. Why was all that effort made to get him to the Island only to let him leave with Michael? I speculated that, if Ben was really being guided by MIB rather than Jacob, perhaps MIB found out about Walt's powers and thought he might be able to trump Jacob's powers...only to find out that he would not be able to be controlled by MIB, either. Or the producers realized the folly of hiring a young actor for a long running series that will cross time just before his growth spurts start ! Like I said in an earlier post...sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Big Moment: Sun and Jin's awakening. BIG TIME . Mega, Mega hankies
Big Moment: Carol liked Juliet and Sawyer reunion - Juliet said the exact same thing from the Island World: "It worked" but now we know she meant her candy machine trick, not the bomb!
Phyllis quoted a comment at the Doc recap #2 from Big Walt, Tue 5/25/10, 05:03PM: "My theory is that the sideways world was a gift from the island for what they did for it. It's not something that happens for everyone." We liked it!
Carol felt vindicated by her long time belief that Vincent would have a Lassie moment, a la "Lassie, Timmy fell down a well, go get help." As soon as Smocke spotted a dog at the well, she thought "ah ha!" and sure enough, we found out Rose, Vincent and Bernard rescued Desmond. It was reported that a partner at the firm stated that, of course Vincent was not in the church - he's a dog and has nothing to atone for. Sounds right.
Big Moment: Hurley asking Ben for help. I thought Ben's journey of "letting go" was just amazing... I was so struck by the look on his face when Jack chose Hurley; he looked so knocked down by disappointment yet again. But it was Ben who showed a doubting Hurley the way: "just do what you do best, take care of people"... he was finally able to let go of his jealousy, his longing to belong. In doing so, he finally found his place, his family.
It was actually at this point that Melissa joined us exclaiming that she loved it because "it hit the hightlights of all the relationships"... (It was here that Carol reported that Kristina didn't like it because she wanted the answers, not the relationships. This is why Baskin and Robbins has 37 flavors.)
BIG BIG Moment: even though Jack died, he got to see the plane fly overhead and got to be with Vincent. That ending, Vincent snuggling up to Jack as he dies... Melissa said she was crying so hard during that scene and Oh my goodness we were all crying. Note the first photo in the Doc Recap #1: our answer, no we will never be able to think of that and not cry.
Someone speculated that Hurley's self description in Sideways World of being The Luckiest Man Alive was NOT about the Lottery, but about getting to take care of the Island! Cool...
Doc felt that the final 10 minutes were close to perfect...again, we agreed.
Why were Sun and Jin so happy in their "awakening" - because they knew they would always be together.
Carol said she laughed out loud when Claire said she couldn't get on the plane - "look at me" - referring to her crazy Rousseau appearance. I understood, and thought it was a signal, though that Claire had regained her sanity...she cared about how she looked! (I started crying here, just thinking about Claire and Kate clutching hands as the plane takes off...) Aaron will NOT have a crazy Mom.
Melissa and I were big fans of the Sayid and Shannon BIG MOMENT, and I loved the little aside between Boone and Hurley.
Which led to a discussion of how great Hurley was in Sideways World, his confidence. This was Hurley's true nature...it came out in the episode Everybody Hates Hugo (when Jack gave him the job of being in charge of the Dharma food) and he did a great job. He just always had self doubt. He was always so concerned about others... he came up with the golf tournement to cheer people up. So, we sort of wanted it to be Hurley, the most pure spirit, to inherit the Island Protector role...and he did!
Hurley embodies the shows ability to be combine humor and drama, danger and highjinks.
In discussing NOT getting a lot of answers - and I admit I wish I had gotten more information on Dharma - I shared something I was told by my Rabbi many years ago at a Passover Seder. He noted that in a traditional haggadah (guide to the Seder) there are 4 questions but not 4 answers. He said that this was because in life, there are always more questions than answers. That has always resonated with me as the way life truly is, and LOST reflected that reality and how people struggle to cope and live in that reality. This got a thumbs up from the group - I really should let my Rabbi know.
Many posters on various sites seem to think the show's ending meant all the characters were all dead, they had died on the Island, all that Purgatory talk. But we noted that at the end, when Jack asks Christian if they had all died, Christian answers yes, "but everyone dies sometime, but not all at the same time....there is no NOW here." It seems clear that time is not a factor... and clear that many of the characters had a lot of life ahead of them. If what Christian said wasn't enough, you have Hurley and Ben's exchange outside: Hurley comes out for Ben and invites him in. Ben declines (he has some things to do); Hurley tells him "you were a great #2" and Ben replies "You were a great #1." So, they had their time on the Island!!!!!!
I should note here the confusion caused by the shots of the plane debris under the credits at the end. many took it to mean that the Ajira plane never made it off the Island. I thought it was just shots from the set of the crash, what brought all the people together. Well, it turns out I was right!!! There are a lot of reports like this one http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00032758.html - ABC really blew it with this, I bet the producers are not happy.
In addition to being another "Desmond" in Sideways world, Carol put forth the theory that Ben also was working on his need to be special...he wasn't quite ready to let that go.
Melissa said she had never been a huge Jack fan until the finale; Carol conceded only that she didn't despise him anymore. We all (guilty pleasure!) LOVED it when Jack shoved Smocke off the cliff...sorry Doc Jensen, sometimes evil does need a push!
We decided not to worry about understanding everything; Smocke/Locke and Jack didn't, they got a lot wrong in their assumptions about what would happen...so why should we figure it all out?
I hated how many commercials there were but most of the comments were how much people loved the clever Target spots. Everyone was pleasantly surprised by how good the 2 hour pre-show turned out - not what we expected...a lot of fun to see Josh Holloway and Daniel Dae Kim kibbitzing as themselves, hearing the actors thoughts on the show and their characters journeys.
ALERT: The finale and the Jimmy Kimmel show will be repeated on Saturday night!!!!! Interesting that they will trim the time for the finale down to 2 hours...I hope they cut commercials and not show!
Well, that pretty much wraps it up. We had a lot of fun sharing LOST over the years. I would love to get your comments on your insights, reactions.
I hope to put up some more thoughts over the weekend as I have time to digest more recaps and thoughts...and I have some ideas for what to do next!!!! Life without LOST... what a concept!
Namaste, Yinz
Granted, we got reports of those of the opposite reaction - Hated It. Phyllis' daughter and the now gone to greener pastures (job that is) Kristina. As they were not present I can't give their point of view.
In general, for us, we found the emotions wonderful, we didn't feel or expect every question to be answered. Of course we were thrilled that Desmond didn't die. Phyllis observed that when we saw him on the plane in Sideways World wearing a wedding band it meant that he WAS married to Penny...just after the time on the Island. Excellent.
Big Moment: One of the most moving scenes for me was the goodbye between Jack and Sawyer. Jack: "Good luck to you, James." Sawyer: "Thanks, Doc, for everything." All animosity and jealousy gone, each now recognizing the strengths of the other. Mega hankie moment.
Much to my surprise, everyone had stayed up to watch Jimmy Kimmel Live...even Phyllis who usually gets up at the crack of dawn. But it seemed everyone was too wound up post-show to sleep. Carol felt it was almost disappointing to see the real actors, and I agree that Alan Dale, aka Charles Widmore, seemed less than comfortable. But some of the banter was cute and the 3 "alternate endings" were a hoot. Kudos to Bob Newhart!!!
Carol reported that she spotted Kate wearing different clothes outside the church and inside the church at the end. I completely missed that.
Phyllis noted Doc Jensen's excellent recap http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20388269,00.html
(he really did well at the end... thanks, Doc!) and his theory on why Ben did not go into the church - saying he still had some things to do. [This is in his Part Two, from May 25th] Doc speculates that the group inside was connected by being on Flight 815 and the crash "belonged" to Desmond as he caused the crash. Ben "will become another Desmond...and gather his own spiritual clan" including, maybe, Alex, Roger Linus, Miles, and others. We all really liked that. Also may be why they weren't in the church at the end...
I commented (if I can read my scribbled notes correctly) that we will keep thinking about things...like Walt. Why was all that effort made to get him to the Island only to let him leave with Michael? I speculated that, if Ben was really being guided by MIB rather than Jacob, perhaps MIB found out about Walt's powers and thought he might be able to trump Jacob's powers...only to find out that he would not be able to be controlled by MIB, either. Or the producers realized the folly of hiring a young actor for a long running series that will cross time just before his growth spurts start ! Like I said in an earlier post...sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Big Moment: Sun and Jin's awakening. BIG TIME . Mega, Mega hankies
Big Moment: Carol liked Juliet and Sawyer reunion - Juliet said the exact same thing from the Island World: "It worked" but now we know she meant her candy machine trick, not the bomb!
Phyllis quoted a comment at the Doc recap #2 from Big Walt, Tue 5/25/10, 05:03PM: "My theory is that the sideways world was a gift from the island for what they did for it. It's not something that happens for everyone." We liked it!
Carol felt vindicated by her long time belief that Vincent would have a Lassie moment, a la "Lassie, Timmy fell down a well, go get help." As soon as Smocke spotted a dog at the well, she thought "ah ha!" and sure enough, we found out Rose, Vincent and Bernard rescued Desmond. It was reported that a partner at the firm stated that, of course Vincent was not in the church - he's a dog and has nothing to atone for. Sounds right.
Big Moment: Hurley asking Ben for help. I thought Ben's journey of "letting go" was just amazing... I was so struck by the look on his face when Jack chose Hurley; he looked so knocked down by disappointment yet again. But it was Ben who showed a doubting Hurley the way: "just do what you do best, take care of people"... he was finally able to let go of his jealousy, his longing to belong. In doing so, he finally found his place, his family.
It was actually at this point that Melissa joined us exclaiming that she loved it because "it hit the hightlights of all the relationships"... (It was here that Carol reported that Kristina didn't like it because she wanted the answers, not the relationships. This is why Baskin and Robbins has 37 flavors.)
BIG BIG Moment: even though Jack died, he got to see the plane fly overhead and got to be with Vincent. That ending, Vincent snuggling up to Jack as he dies... Melissa said she was crying so hard during that scene and Oh my goodness we were all crying. Note the first photo in the Doc Recap #1: our answer, no we will never be able to think of that and not cry.
Someone speculated that Hurley's self description in Sideways World of being The Luckiest Man Alive was NOT about the Lottery, but about getting to take care of the Island! Cool...
Doc felt that the final 10 minutes were close to perfect...again, we agreed.
Why were Sun and Jin so happy in their "awakening" - because they knew they would always be together.
Carol said she laughed out loud when Claire said she couldn't get on the plane - "look at me" - referring to her crazy Rousseau appearance. I understood, and thought it was a signal, though that Claire had regained her sanity...she cared about how she looked! (I started crying here, just thinking about Claire and Kate clutching hands as the plane takes off...) Aaron will NOT have a crazy Mom.
Melissa and I were big fans of the Sayid and Shannon BIG MOMENT, and I loved the little aside between Boone and Hurley.
Which led to a discussion of how great Hurley was in Sideways World, his confidence. This was Hurley's true nature...it came out in the episode Everybody Hates Hugo (when Jack gave him the job of being in charge of the Dharma food) and he did a great job. He just always had self doubt. He was always so concerned about others... he came up with the golf tournement to cheer people up. So, we sort of wanted it to be Hurley, the most pure spirit, to inherit the Island Protector role...and he did!
Hurley embodies the shows ability to be combine humor and drama, danger and highjinks.
In discussing NOT getting a lot of answers - and I admit I wish I had gotten more information on Dharma - I shared something I was told by my Rabbi many years ago at a Passover Seder. He noted that in a traditional haggadah (guide to the Seder) there are 4 questions but not 4 answers. He said that this was because in life, there are always more questions than answers. That has always resonated with me as the way life truly is, and LOST reflected that reality and how people struggle to cope and live in that reality. This got a thumbs up from the group - I really should let my Rabbi know.
Many posters on various sites seem to think the show's ending meant all the characters were all dead, they had died on the Island, all that Purgatory talk. But we noted that at the end, when Jack asks Christian if they had all died, Christian answers yes, "but everyone dies sometime, but not all at the same time....there is no NOW here." It seems clear that time is not a factor... and clear that many of the characters had a lot of life ahead of them. If what Christian said wasn't enough, you have Hurley and Ben's exchange outside: Hurley comes out for Ben and invites him in. Ben declines (he has some things to do); Hurley tells him "you were a great #2" and Ben replies "You were a great #1." So, they had their time on the Island!!!!!!
I should note here the confusion caused by the shots of the plane debris under the credits at the end. many took it to mean that the Ajira plane never made it off the Island. I thought it was just shots from the set of the crash, what brought all the people together. Well, it turns out I was right!!! There are a lot of reports like this one http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00032758.html - ABC really blew it with this, I bet the producers are not happy.
In addition to being another "Desmond" in Sideways world, Carol put forth the theory that Ben also was working on his need to be special...he wasn't quite ready to let that go.
Melissa said she had never been a huge Jack fan until the finale; Carol conceded only that she didn't despise him anymore. We all (guilty pleasure!) LOVED it when Jack shoved Smocke off the cliff...sorry Doc Jensen, sometimes evil does need a push!
We decided not to worry about understanding everything; Smocke/Locke and Jack didn't, they got a lot wrong in their assumptions about what would happen...so why should we figure it all out?
I hated how many commercials there were but most of the comments were how much people loved the clever Target spots. Everyone was pleasantly surprised by how good the 2 hour pre-show turned out - not what we expected...a lot of fun to see Josh Holloway and Daniel Dae Kim kibbitzing as themselves, hearing the actors thoughts on the show and their characters journeys.
ALERT: The finale and the Jimmy Kimmel show will be repeated on Saturday night!!!!! Interesting that they will trim the time for the finale down to 2 hours...I hope they cut commercials and not show!
Well, that pretty much wraps it up. We had a lot of fun sharing LOST over the years. I would love to get your comments on your insights, reactions.
I hope to put up some more thoughts over the weekend as I have time to digest more recaps and thoughts...and I have some ideas for what to do next!!!! Life without LOST... what a concept!
Namaste, Yinz
Tuesday, May 25, 2010
The End, A Little Note
I find I can't stop thinking about the season finale... moments that still make me teary eyed. I am trying to put off reading the online recaps until I get to watch it again...tonight and tomorrow morning, hopefully.
I went to the Watcher site (at the Chicago Tribune) and in her “Further Thoughts…” on the LOST Finale
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2010/05/lost-finale-jack.html#more
I found this line: "The emotional delivery of the finale quiets my logical side. I don't know [that] all has to be answered." Sums it up pretty well.
Another scene that really got me… on the plane taking off – finally – from the Island, Claire and Kate’s hands clutched together… I know there are questions that will never be answered... but that is so like life. Always more questions than answers.
On a completely different note...I was watching an old episode of Cheers, "Suspicion" from 1986, on WGN America at 5:30pm... a man is seated in the bar and being very dark and mysterious. I thought... I KNOW THAT FACE! It came to me in a flash... a much younger, a MUCH thinner Mr. Friendly!!! I confirmed the actor's name in the credits as M.C. Gainey and sure enough... that's our Other! So, it's true, there is no Now or Then. ha ha.
Namaste, yinz
I went to the Watcher site (at the Chicago Tribune) and in her “Further Thoughts…” on the LOST Finale
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2010/05/lost-finale-jack.html#more
I found this line: "The emotional delivery of the finale quiets my logical side. I don't know [that] all has to be answered." Sums it up pretty well.
Another scene that really got me… on the plane taking off – finally – from the Island, Claire and Kate’s hands clutched together… I know there are questions that will never be answered... but that is so like life. Always more questions than answers.
On a completely different note...I was watching an old episode of Cheers, "Suspicion" from 1986, on WGN America at 5:30pm... a man is seated in the bar and being very dark and mysterious. I thought... I KNOW THAT FACE! It came to me in a flash... a much younger, a MUCH thinner Mr. Friendly!!! I confirmed the actor's name in the credits as M.C. Gainey and sure enough... that's our Other! So, it's true, there is no Now or Then. ha ha.
Namaste, yinz
Monday, May 24, 2010
Lost the beginning of The End
Well, I was blown away...and wrung out....and just plain exhausted after that show. Staying up to watch Jimmy Kimmel Live certainly didn't help my mental state today. Thanks to Leslie for joining me for the grand finale, the snacks, your insights and the JKL fun .
I do want to wait to commit my thoughts until I have a chance to watch at least some of it again tomorrow.
Briefly... the acting on this show is just so awesome. Michael Emerson rocks.
At first I was troubled by the reveal of the true Nature of Sideways World...but as its had time to work...and boy has it ever... I am OK. I guess I'm letting go too.
Namaste, Yinz...
I do want to wait to commit my thoughts until I have a chance to watch at least some of it again tomorrow.
Briefly... the acting on this show is just so awesome. Michael Emerson rocks.
At first I was troubled by the reveal of the true Nature of Sideways World...but as its had time to work...and boy has it ever... I am OK. I guess I'm letting go too.
Namaste, Yinz...
Thursday, May 20, 2010
LOST Lunch 6.16 What They Died For (Updated)
Hard to believe...the End is nigh, literally.
[update at bottom]
General feeling was that this was one of the best episodes ever.
Miles was in great form, with a number of memorable lines, like "the secreter room" and "I lived in these houses 30 years before you did... otherwise known as last week." So glad he has a great sense of when to make an exit.
I observed that I thought the scene between Jack and Sawyer, where Sawyer says he killed Sun, Jin and Lapidus, and Jack counters, "No, he killed them" was one of the best ever... after all of their fighting, competing and head butting, they were down to their raw souls, and Jack had the grace to try to heal Sawyer. Carol made the analogy that it was like when a criminal wants to commit suicide by cop and pushes a situation so that the police have no choice but to shoot... so MIB used Sawyer - he was being used as the weapon, not the purp.
Melissa thinks that Widmore isn't dead; that it all happened too quickly. I confess she was alone in feeling that the senior Widmore lives. However, we do like the idea that the scar on Sideways Jack's neck may be a hint at what is to come... MIB's attempt to kill him the way he killed Zoe. We wondered if MIB could kill Jack now that he has ASSUMED THE MANTLE OF PROTECTOR (imagine a nice drum roll echo thing going on there) the way MIB couldn't kill Jacob. I for one hope it's only from a failed attempt, not a successful one.
Big Question: Who is the mother of David - Jack's son in Sideways World? (I forgot to bring up at the time, but there was a nasty little tease in the show when Locke, in front of Jack's desk, notices a photo. We see it in a flash. I had hoped it would show the Mom...but it was Christian, Jack and David. Those little devils know how to rattle our mental cages!) We suspect the big reveal will be at the Mystery concert; mystery because we aren't sure if it is piano (for David) or the Drive Shaft concert or the Museum or all they all the same? We are hoping all of the above so the whole gang will be in one place for some big, big WOW moments. Chief of which might be some showdown between dear Mrs. Hawking/Widmore and Desmond.
Speaking of Desmond - he was ON FIRE!!!
Ben...Ben...Ben... he certainly seemed to fall off the redemption wagon. I am in the camp that feels his anger and rage at Widmore over the death of Alex was just too strong for him to ignore. Note the sequence of scenes: Island Ben is brought back to the death of Alex with Miles "discovery" of her grave followed by the admission at the house getting the C-4 that he now realizes HE was summoned by the Monster/Locke, not the other way round; Ben comes in contact with Widmore and learns he has met Jacob; Sideways Ben is brought into the familial embrace of Alex and Danielle Rousseau when Alex doesn't want him to be alone after his beating; after the dinner Danielle tells him he is the closest thing to a father Alex has ever had and he cries! Then... the Island World scene where Smocke threatens to kill Penny if Widmore doesn't tell him why he came back...and Ben shoots him and saying "He doesn't get to save his daughter." I think it was a big ball of anger, guilt and rage exploding out of that rifle at Widmore (who, remember, Ben accused of changing the rules back when Island Alex was killed.) and is more the complexity of Ben than just evil. The group hoped that Ben was still on the side of Good, (Craig did think he was back on the dark side) and mused that he is using his knowledge of Smockey/MIB/Puffy... whatever... gained over the years to out-fox him in the end. All agree that Michael Emerson once again delivered a brilliant performance.
Carol worried that referring to Desmond as the Failsafe sounds like certain death.
I raised a question I had with the group: It seemed to me that when Desmond was first thrown into the well by Smockey it had a dry bottom. But, at the end of this episode, when he arrived at the well with Ben, there was water at the bottom. At first I thought...is this really the same one? Is he pulling a fast one on Ben? Did Sayid really get Desmond out of the well, after all? Everyone said they, too, noticed the water at the bottom...so its nice to know I wasn't hallucinating. Some felt that maybe Sayid hadn't gotten him out, but just hadn't killed him. Nothing was really decided.
Is Richard Alpert really dead? Well, supposedly he can't die... or can he? I think we felt that ole "the Island has finished with you" and he might be gone. I sort of hope to see him with his wife at last.
Big Question: WHERE IS CLAIRE!?!?! We last saw her on the dock with Smocke as the sub pulled out. As Scooby Doo would put it...roah, roh.!?!
Doc Jensen was at his best for this week's recap. If you haven't seen it yet... it is long but because the episode was chock full of...gems. We particularly loved his description of Sawyer, Kate and Hurley watching Jack's "annointment" as "the three wise-asses from the East" and his coining of the term SOIES for Sudden Onset Island Enlightenment Syndrome.
Hurley...was his "glad it wasn't me" premature? or a twisted hint that, oops, he celebrated too soon?
Kristina brought up Jacob's comment to Kate, that her name being crossed out was just a line of chalk on rock. Was that a nod to us LOST obsessives that sometimes things DON'T have deeper meaning? (a la Freud's "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar") Carol referred to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where one learns that the answer of life, everything and the universe is 42. Yes, one of those numbers. When an obsessed fan asked a very long question about the meaning of the number the author answered only "it's fiction". 'nuf said.
I noted that Jacob never really explained Why they died, just What they died for - the Golden Light. He never really gives an explanation, the Why. Carol said it was just semantics.
Question: Any connection between Desmond entering the numbers in the computer in the Swan Hatch and the numbers by the candidates names on the cave wall? Speculation: Putting the numbers in contained the electromagnetism and protected the Island. The Candidate's job is the same thing - containing the Monster, protecting the Golden Light, and saving the Island.
Craig brought up the idea of...who is bad here? Jacob and Faux Mom made MIB the Monster. Anyone would be a bit testy if lied to all one's life by one's parent, attacked by both mom and brother and killed by one's brother. Well, yes, but Smokey took it a whole lot further...killing LOTS of people. Did he never hear of You catch more flies with honey? Oh, yeah, I guess not.
Phyllis observed: the last episode is coming and we still don't know what's going on!
We remembered Smocke telling Kate to keep Aaron away from Claire, as he knows what its like to be raised by a crazy Mom. (Which again made me wonder, where is Claire...did he get rid of her to absolutely prevent her from getting to Aaron?) Are Locke and MIB now a melding together of 2 men who had that experience? Is that the reason MIB chose his body/being to take? Again, the Island had a large supply of dead bodies over 2,000 years...why wait for Locke? Another possibility - Locke was in a good position to manipulate Ben. For me this is one of the big questions I hope gets addressed...but I'm not holding out much hope for that.
Craig thinks Jacob is like Lucifer - he makes deals with people to do his bidding, made "deals with the Devil" when he touched them, maybe more for his goals than their own good.
Something that came to me watching it a second time: Desmond not seen on the Island because...he really isn't there. He is able to go, really, from Island World to Sideways World because of his experience in the ElectroMagnetic Doughnuts. (Widmore said he brought him back "because of his unique resistance to electromagnetism...a measure of last resort") I was gratified that the group liked my theory. I will hold onto that until Sunday when I fully expect it to be blown out of the water... Craig said he thought Desmond was the Jacob of Sideways World! We sort of liked that too. It was also pointed out that Desmond had this ability back after the Hatch blew up - remember "The Constant"...but I think this is more... now HE determines where he goes and when. He is not just being tossed about on Time's Trampoline.
All wondered what we will be feeling at 11:30pm EST, on Sunday. We are feeling hopeful after this great episode and knowing they had 2 years to plan for this big finish. And despite our most noble pronouncements we will probably stay up for Jimmy Kimmel's show. How many of you are planning to take Monday off?
How many wish you could?
Update: after leaving the lunch I finally got to read my Examiner and found that LOST had found its way to their editorial page in the form of this wonderful cartoon; sounds like as good a theory for the finish for one character as any I’ve heard.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/NateBeelerToons/Back-to-Normal-After-Lost-94376344.html
Namaste, Yinz!
[update at bottom]
General feeling was that this was one of the best episodes ever.
Miles was in great form, with a number of memorable lines, like "the secreter room" and "I lived in these houses 30 years before you did... otherwise known as last week." So glad he has a great sense of when to make an exit.
I observed that I thought the scene between Jack and Sawyer, where Sawyer says he killed Sun, Jin and Lapidus, and Jack counters, "No, he killed them" was one of the best ever... after all of their fighting, competing and head butting, they were down to their raw souls, and Jack had the grace to try to heal Sawyer. Carol made the analogy that it was like when a criminal wants to commit suicide by cop and pushes a situation so that the police have no choice but to shoot... so MIB used Sawyer - he was being used as the weapon, not the purp.
Melissa thinks that Widmore isn't dead; that it all happened too quickly. I confess she was alone in feeling that the senior Widmore lives. However, we do like the idea that the scar on Sideways Jack's neck may be a hint at what is to come... MIB's attempt to kill him the way he killed Zoe. We wondered if MIB could kill Jack now that he has ASSUMED THE MANTLE OF PROTECTOR (imagine a nice drum roll echo thing going on there) the way MIB couldn't kill Jacob. I for one hope it's only from a failed attempt, not a successful one.
Big Question: Who is the mother of David - Jack's son in Sideways World? (I forgot to bring up at the time, but there was a nasty little tease in the show when Locke, in front of Jack's desk, notices a photo. We see it in a flash. I had hoped it would show the Mom...but it was Christian, Jack and David. Those little devils know how to rattle our mental cages!) We suspect the big reveal will be at the Mystery concert; mystery because we aren't sure if it is piano (for David) or the Drive Shaft concert or the Museum or all they all the same? We are hoping all of the above so the whole gang will be in one place for some big, big WOW moments. Chief of which might be some showdown between dear Mrs. Hawking/Widmore and Desmond.
Speaking of Desmond - he was ON FIRE!!!
Ben...Ben...Ben... he certainly seemed to fall off the redemption wagon. I am in the camp that feels his anger and rage at Widmore over the death of Alex was just too strong for him to ignore. Note the sequence of scenes: Island Ben is brought back to the death of Alex with Miles "discovery" of her grave followed by the admission at the house getting the C-4 that he now realizes HE was summoned by the Monster/Locke, not the other way round; Ben comes in contact with Widmore and learns he has met Jacob; Sideways Ben is brought into the familial embrace of Alex and Danielle Rousseau when Alex doesn't want him to be alone after his beating; after the dinner Danielle tells him he is the closest thing to a father Alex has ever had and he cries! Then... the Island World scene where Smocke threatens to kill Penny if Widmore doesn't tell him why he came back...and Ben shoots him and saying "He doesn't get to save his daughter." I think it was a big ball of anger, guilt and rage exploding out of that rifle at Widmore (who, remember, Ben accused of changing the rules back when Island Alex was killed.) and is more the complexity of Ben than just evil. The group hoped that Ben was still on the side of Good, (Craig did think he was back on the dark side) and mused that he is using his knowledge of Smockey/MIB/Puffy... whatever... gained over the years to out-fox him in the end. All agree that Michael Emerson once again delivered a brilliant performance.
Carol worried that referring to Desmond as the Failsafe sounds like certain death.
I raised a question I had with the group: It seemed to me that when Desmond was first thrown into the well by Smockey it had a dry bottom. But, at the end of this episode, when he arrived at the well with Ben, there was water at the bottom. At first I thought...is this really the same one? Is he pulling a fast one on Ben? Did Sayid really get Desmond out of the well, after all? Everyone said they, too, noticed the water at the bottom...so its nice to know I wasn't hallucinating. Some felt that maybe Sayid hadn't gotten him out, but just hadn't killed him. Nothing was really decided.
Is Richard Alpert really dead? Well, supposedly he can't die... or can he? I think we felt that ole "the Island has finished with you" and he might be gone. I sort of hope to see him with his wife at last.
Big Question: WHERE IS CLAIRE!?!?! We last saw her on the dock with Smocke as the sub pulled out. As Scooby Doo would put it...roah, roh.!?!
Doc Jensen was at his best for this week's recap. If you haven't seen it yet... it is long but because the episode was chock full of...gems. We particularly loved his description of Sawyer, Kate and Hurley watching Jack's "annointment" as "the three wise-asses from the East" and his coining of the term SOIES for Sudden Onset Island Enlightenment Syndrome.
Hurley...was his "glad it wasn't me" premature? or a twisted hint that, oops, he celebrated too soon?
Kristina brought up Jacob's comment to Kate, that her name being crossed out was just a line of chalk on rock. Was that a nod to us LOST obsessives that sometimes things DON'T have deeper meaning? (a la Freud's "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar") Carol referred to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where one learns that the answer of life, everything and the universe is 42. Yes, one of those numbers. When an obsessed fan asked a very long question about the meaning of the number the author answered only "it's fiction". 'nuf said.
I noted that Jacob never really explained Why they died, just What they died for - the Golden Light. He never really gives an explanation, the Why. Carol said it was just semantics.
Question: Any connection between Desmond entering the numbers in the computer in the Swan Hatch and the numbers by the candidates names on the cave wall? Speculation: Putting the numbers in contained the electromagnetism and protected the Island. The Candidate's job is the same thing - containing the Monster, protecting the Golden Light, and saving the Island.
Craig brought up the idea of...who is bad here? Jacob and Faux Mom made MIB the Monster. Anyone would be a bit testy if lied to all one's life by one's parent, attacked by both mom and brother and killed by one's brother. Well, yes, but Smokey took it a whole lot further...killing LOTS of people. Did he never hear of You catch more flies with honey? Oh, yeah, I guess not.
Phyllis observed: the last episode is coming and we still don't know what's going on!
We remembered Smocke telling Kate to keep Aaron away from Claire, as he knows what its like to be raised by a crazy Mom. (Which again made me wonder, where is Claire...did he get rid of her to absolutely prevent her from getting to Aaron?) Are Locke and MIB now a melding together of 2 men who had that experience? Is that the reason MIB chose his body/being to take? Again, the Island had a large supply of dead bodies over 2,000 years...why wait for Locke? Another possibility - Locke was in a good position to manipulate Ben. For me this is one of the big questions I hope gets addressed...but I'm not holding out much hope for that.
Craig thinks Jacob is like Lucifer - he makes deals with people to do his bidding, made "deals with the Devil" when he touched them, maybe more for his goals than their own good.
Something that came to me watching it a second time: Desmond not seen on the Island because...he really isn't there. He is able to go, really, from Island World to Sideways World because of his experience in the ElectroMagnetic Doughnuts. (Widmore said he brought him back "because of his unique resistance to electromagnetism...a measure of last resort") I was gratified that the group liked my theory. I will hold onto that until Sunday when I fully expect it to be blown out of the water... Craig said he thought Desmond was the Jacob of Sideways World! We sort of liked that too. It was also pointed out that Desmond had this ability back after the Hatch blew up - remember "The Constant"...but I think this is more... now HE determines where he goes and when. He is not just being tossed about on Time's Trampoline.
All wondered what we will be feeling at 11:30pm EST, on Sunday. We are feeling hopeful after this great episode and knowing they had 2 years to plan for this big finish. And despite our most noble pronouncements we will probably stay up for Jimmy Kimmel's show. How many of you are planning to take Monday off?
How many wish you could?
Update: after leaving the lunch I finally got to read my Examiner and found that LOST had found its way to their editorial page in the form of this wonderful cartoon; sounds like as good a theory for the finish for one character as any I’ve heard.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/NateBeelerToons/Back-to-Normal-After-Lost-94376344.html
Namaste, Yinz!
Wednesday, May 19, 2010
First Thoughts 6.16 What They Died For
What a jam packed episode. It almost went too fast... What struck me first were the ties back to the series premiere: First shot of episode is an eye opening...Jack's eye, and later, Jack sews up Kate's wound, just as she sewed up the wound in his side so long ago.
Then, the ties between the Island World and the Sideways World: Ben gets flashes of Desmond on the Island as he is being beaten by him in the Sideways World school parking lot. Also, Island Ben is touched again by his lost daughter when they enter Otherville and Miles feels her presence in her grave, finds out it was Richard who buried her. Later, Sideways Ben has a lovely evening with student Alex and her mother, Danielle Rousseau. He is moved to tears when told he has been like a father to Alex... Does this emotion bleed through to Island World in the next scene when he finally gets his revenge on Charles Widmore? I remembered Ben accusing Charles of changing the rules... I still want to know...WHAT RULES! Oh, and Sideways Locke using the phrase "Maybe this is happening for a reason" in Dr. Jack's office...
Ben, Ben, Ben... what is he up to? Will he betray all the other people that we thought he had finally joined? Or was he just surviving the moment...getting a chance to get revenge on the man he blamed for the death of his daughter...and Smockey could be next? Is Michael Emerson great or what? Loved his "lemonade" line.
A high point for me was the touching exchange between Jack and Sawyer on the way to the well. Sawyer, who has been looking despondent, says "I killed them, didn't I?" Jack responds "no, HE killed them." I thought it was a nice thing for Jack to do, rather than lay any more guilt on Sawyer.
Desmond was certainly a busy boy in Sideways World...what a hoot! From calling Jack with news of finding his "lost cargo" - did he really? - to arranging the smoothest jail break in history at the end, Desmond was a constant delight... ha ha. I do wonder though, did he find Christian's body or is that a ruse to get Jack to the airport? (I have thought that the lost body was significant... is it part of putting things back to the "right timeline" ?) (Yes, I am know I could be WAY wrong, but it's my little theory and I'm sticking with it!) I think he is manuevering everyone to a plane... but why he needs to go to the concert I can't guess right now... to get Claire, Sawyer (did I catch correctly that he is going with Miles to the same concert?...this is where I got a bit confused...)
How about that great promo that ran around 9:26am... from a contest by KIA, the way it ended showing a balance with a black and white stone... well done.
I was shocked that Richard Alpert died so suddenly and without much time for reaction... I was surprised I didn't cry...but things were moving so fast, and he was what, almost 200 years old...? I have a feeling we will be seeing him again...with his wife.
Ha, I thought Sayid didn't leave Desmond in the well! At least for now, and according to Smockey, Sayid did get him out...now where is that little scamp? Also, so glad Miles got out of the house before Smokey arrived. OK I have to run now.... more later...I wonder what will percolate up in my brain as it processes this more, especially the scenes of Jack's "taking on the mantle of ProtectorHood"... too much to say for now...so,
Namaste, Yinz!
Then, the ties between the Island World and the Sideways World: Ben gets flashes of Desmond on the Island as he is being beaten by him in the Sideways World school parking lot. Also, Island Ben is touched again by his lost daughter when they enter Otherville and Miles feels her presence in her grave, finds out it was Richard who buried her. Later, Sideways Ben has a lovely evening with student Alex and her mother, Danielle Rousseau. He is moved to tears when told he has been like a father to Alex... Does this emotion bleed through to Island World in the next scene when he finally gets his revenge on Charles Widmore? I remembered Ben accusing Charles of changing the rules... I still want to know...WHAT RULES! Oh, and Sideways Locke using the phrase "Maybe this is happening for a reason" in Dr. Jack's office...
Ben, Ben, Ben... what is he up to? Will he betray all the other people that we thought he had finally joined? Or was he just surviving the moment...getting a chance to get revenge on the man he blamed for the death of his daughter...and Smockey could be next? Is Michael Emerson great or what? Loved his "lemonade" line.
A high point for me was the touching exchange between Jack and Sawyer on the way to the well. Sawyer, who has been looking despondent, says "I killed them, didn't I?" Jack responds "no, HE killed them." I thought it was a nice thing for Jack to do, rather than lay any more guilt on Sawyer.
Desmond was certainly a busy boy in Sideways World...what a hoot! From calling Jack with news of finding his "lost cargo" - did he really? - to arranging the smoothest jail break in history at the end, Desmond was a constant delight... ha ha. I do wonder though, did he find Christian's body or is that a ruse to get Jack to the airport? (I have thought that the lost body was significant... is it part of putting things back to the "right timeline" ?) (Yes, I am know I could be WAY wrong, but it's my little theory and I'm sticking with it!) I think he is manuevering everyone to a plane... but why he needs to go to the concert I can't guess right now... to get Claire, Sawyer (did I catch correctly that he is going with Miles to the same concert?...this is where I got a bit confused...)
How about that great promo that ran around 9:26am... from a contest by KIA, the way it ended showing a balance with a black and white stone... well done.
I was shocked that Richard Alpert died so suddenly and without much time for reaction... I was surprised I didn't cry...but things were moving so fast, and he was what, almost 200 years old...? I have a feeling we will be seeing him again...with his wife.
Ha, I thought Sayid didn't leave Desmond in the well! At least for now, and according to Smockey, Sayid did get him out...now where is that little scamp? Also, so glad Miles got out of the house before Smokey arrived. OK I have to run now.... more later...I wonder what will percolate up in my brain as it processes this more, especially the scenes of Jack's "taking on the mantle of ProtectorHood"... too much to say for now...so,
Namaste, Yinz!
Monday, May 17, 2010
Tidbit: New York Times Article
Thanks to Leslie for bringing this to my attention:
The Men Who Made ABC’s ‘Lost’ Last
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/arts/television/16weblost.html?src=me&ref=general
Can you believe it, now, less than a week to go! Yikes!
Namaste, Yinz
The Men Who Made ABC’s ‘Lost’ Last
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/arts/television/16weblost.html?src=me&ref=general
Can you believe it, now, less than a week to go! Yikes!
Namaste, Yinz
Sunday, May 16, 2010
Robin Hood Review
Here is a review that sums up better than I could:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/arts/rockin-robin/story-e6frg8pf-1225865118090
In short, I love a film that has character, intelligence, and storytelling at its center; where special effects SERVE the story, not the other way 'round. Now you know.
Namaste, Yinz
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/arts/rockin-robin/story-e6frg8pf-1225865118090
In short, I love a film that has character, intelligence, and storytelling at its center; where special effects SERVE the story, not the other way 'round. Now you know.
Namaste, Yinz
Saturday, May 15, 2010
Interview with Kevin Durand aka Martin Keamy
Check out this interview with Kevin Durand who played the evil Martin Keamy on LOST, and is now appearing in the new ROBIN HOOD.
http://www.boldoutlaw.com/robint/durand.html
I did see the film last night and LOVED it.
Namaste, Yinz
http://www.boldoutlaw.com/robint/durand.html
I did see the film last night and LOVED it.
Namaste, Yinz
Friday, May 14, 2010
LOST Lunch for Across the Sea 6.15
I think I would have to sum up the reaction to this episode as..."Huh?" I think we were all over the place looking for answers, trying to find a thread...sorry, Faux Mom.
We started out wondering about the aging of the bodies "Adam and Eve": Jack had guessed they were about 40 years old or so when he found them, but from the episode we are guessing they were killed a lot further back than that... (mostly from Claudia speaking Latin...a language that "died" over a long period of time but say for discussion's sake starting around the 7th century AD) so.... why the huge discrepency? My best guess.... because the Island moves through time and place... usual factors don't apply.
General agreement that MIB was more likeable in this episode...got to see the influences that made him...another Crazy Mom - The Original Crazy Mom, I guess! Felt that he wasn't evil until AFTER being shoved into the Golden Cave and coming out Smoke Monster. (or did he... his body was somewhere else.... another question!) Also agreed that the show is great at casting kids who really do look like their adult selves or parents.
Why can Jacob leave the Island while MIB could not? Some felt that he was able to make up his own rules once he was the Protector. There was speculation that drinking the wine gives one wisdom of the Island...FM told Jacob after he drank "Now you and I are the same." is the reason that Jacob still had his own body and soul and Smocke didn't? No idea... But this seems to be a big hole...
Back to MIB...speculation that Smockey just takes the form of a body...but still, what keeps him on the Island, why did he have to wait for Locke's body, as there surely were lots of others to pick from over the centuries.
Carol felt in general that the episode went a little to far to Sci Fi.
Who was Claudia? Where did she come from? Rome or one of its kingdoms? During this time Phyllis said the word "Atlantis" and I was glad I wasn't the only one who thought of that... though I wonder if the Island itself is Atlantis...it didn't sink... it just moved. Carol did confirm for me that Claudia tells BIB (that's Boy in Black) that the other people on the island were her people - from her ship. I had missed that. He is also the one who countered FM with "but we're people" when she went on her first "people are awful" rant.
Wondered, if FM destroyed MIB's well, where he was working on the Donkey Wheel, she must have some super strength...does she have a bit of Smoke Monster in her, too?
Of course we got into the whole Mothers/Children "raised by another" curse on the Island. Phyllis referred to Doc Jensen's (who seems to be returning to sanity as the season draws to a close) discussion of the Loom of Destiny . I do think that Loom is more than just the Island's fashion center. I think FM, and later Jacob, use it to pull people to the Island. As I recall in one of the first scenes where we see adult Jacob he's asking FM how he's doing on the Loom... and we see him at it in later episodes... it's cloth is important to those who come after his death...so I guess I disagree with Doc's rejection of his own theory... who knows.
Back to FM...wondered if her death created the Mother/child curse on the Island. That's it...no answer, just the question.
It was here that a comment in one of the recappers was explained. I can't remember where, but someone called FM "Not the Momma" - apparently from the old show Dinosaurs, where the baby called his mother Mama and his father "Not the Momma".
Noted that the boys aged from birth to about their mid 40's...but not any more. MIB, well, he was turned into Smokey, or his soul was...his body went downstream and eventually into the cave with FM. As for Jacob, he drank the wine, and like Richard Alpert so many centuries later... aging stopped.
Melissa expressed her longing for a scene that had the conversation "This is wine of ______, here are your responsibilites, here is how this all works, your rules, your powers..." Yes, an explanation! But we never got that. Perhaps our anger is that of MIB in the episode when FM cautions him about looking for the Golden Light: "You have no idea" she starts to say... "I have no idea because you wouldn't tell me!" he throws back at her, and a minute later she kills him...or beats the crap out of him. I wondered, did she know she couldn't kill him? Was she just trying to get him out of the way so she could destroy his work and the people who were helping him? Was she under the same rule regarding the boys as the boys were with each other - they couldn't hurt each other? But she could beat up MIB as Jacob did a little while later... so, you can beat up but not outright kill? Questions, Questions, Questions....
Melisssa reported an idea of a friend of hers: That the Island is The Garden of Eden, the Golden Light is the Tree of Life.
Carol wondered if Jacob let Smokey out when he sent in MIB's body...that, like Pandora and her infamous Box, Jacob freed the evil Smokey by going where he wasn't supposed to go...where he had been warned to avoid.
ALL the characters on the show are combinations of Good and Bad...we like that.
Melissa felt that it was the Producers speaking to the audience when FM told Claudia "Every question I answer will simply lead to more questions"... oh, yes, message received loud and clear...not that we like it.
Also seems that we fans assumed the rules of the Island were fixed (they made us think that!) but now it seems they are telling us the Rules are what the Protector makes up, OK, decides on. We had a spirited discussion on the difference between unchanging rules of the Universe, ie, gravity, and rules that a group (or ruler) comes up with that can be changed, like the legal drinking age or what side of the road you drive on. I think we were all a bit disappointed that the Island's Rules not the former.
I asked if anyone thought that BIB's ability to see his real dead mom, Claudia, was in any way related to Hurely's ability to see dead people. He could do this away from the Island as well as on it. I was roundly told NO...but I can't shake a feeling...
Carol reported on a TVGuide.com poll asking fans what they hoped would be the ending of the show. Carol felt the best idea (and we agreed): Bob Newhart waking up in bed next to wife played by Susanne Pleshette and exclaiming "boy if you thought that dream about an Inn in Vermont was something..." That harkens back to the ending from the show Newhart, 1982 - 1990, maybe the greatest ending to a TV show ever. But, it was a sitcom...
What we fear is that there will be another "incident", a fade to black...and then, a close-up on an eye opening.... and that's it! I will just plotz!
Namaste, Yinz
We started out wondering about the aging of the bodies "Adam and Eve": Jack had guessed they were about 40 years old or so when he found them, but from the episode we are guessing they were killed a lot further back than that... (mostly from Claudia speaking Latin...a language that "died" over a long period of time but say for discussion's sake starting around the 7th century AD) so.... why the huge discrepency? My best guess.... because the Island moves through time and place... usual factors don't apply.
General agreement that MIB was more likeable in this episode...got to see the influences that made him...another Crazy Mom - The Original Crazy Mom, I guess! Felt that he wasn't evil until AFTER being shoved into the Golden Cave and coming out Smoke Monster. (or did he... his body was somewhere else.... another question!) Also agreed that the show is great at casting kids who really do look like their adult selves or parents.
Why can Jacob leave the Island while MIB could not? Some felt that he was able to make up his own rules once he was the Protector. There was speculation that drinking the wine gives one wisdom of the Island...FM told Jacob after he drank "Now you and I are the same." is the reason that Jacob still had his own body and soul and Smocke didn't? No idea... But this seems to be a big hole...
Back to MIB...speculation that Smockey just takes the form of a body...but still, what keeps him on the Island, why did he have to wait for Locke's body, as there surely were lots of others to pick from over the centuries.
Carol felt in general that the episode went a little to far to Sci Fi.
Who was Claudia? Where did she come from? Rome or one of its kingdoms? During this time Phyllis said the word "Atlantis" and I was glad I wasn't the only one who thought of that... though I wonder if the Island itself is Atlantis...it didn't sink... it just moved. Carol did confirm for me that Claudia tells BIB (that's Boy in Black) that the other people on the island were her people - from her ship. I had missed that. He is also the one who countered FM with "but we're people" when she went on her first "people are awful" rant.
Wondered, if FM destroyed MIB's well, where he was working on the Donkey Wheel, she must have some super strength...does she have a bit of Smoke Monster in her, too?
Of course we got into the whole Mothers/Children "raised by another" curse on the Island. Phyllis referred to Doc Jensen's (who seems to be returning to sanity as the season draws to a close) discussion of the Loom of Destiny . I do think that Loom is more than just the Island's fashion center. I think FM, and later Jacob, use it to pull people to the Island. As I recall in one of the first scenes where we see adult Jacob he's asking FM how he's doing on the Loom... and we see him at it in later episodes... it's cloth is important to those who come after his death...so I guess I disagree with Doc's rejection of his own theory... who knows.
Back to FM...wondered if her death created the Mother/child curse on the Island. That's it...no answer, just the question.
It was here that a comment in one of the recappers was explained. I can't remember where, but someone called FM "Not the Momma" - apparently from the old show Dinosaurs, where the baby called his mother Mama and his father "Not the Momma".
Noted that the boys aged from birth to about their mid 40's...but not any more. MIB, well, he was turned into Smokey, or his soul was...his body went downstream and eventually into the cave with FM. As for Jacob, he drank the wine, and like Richard Alpert so many centuries later... aging stopped.
Melissa expressed her longing for a scene that had the conversation "This is wine of ______, here are your responsibilites, here is how this all works, your rules, your powers..." Yes, an explanation! But we never got that. Perhaps our anger is that of MIB in the episode when FM cautions him about looking for the Golden Light: "You have no idea" she starts to say... "I have no idea because you wouldn't tell me!" he throws back at her, and a minute later she kills him...or beats the crap out of him. I wondered, did she know she couldn't kill him? Was she just trying to get him out of the way so she could destroy his work and the people who were helping him? Was she under the same rule regarding the boys as the boys were with each other - they couldn't hurt each other? But she could beat up MIB as Jacob did a little while later... so, you can beat up but not outright kill? Questions, Questions, Questions....
Melisssa reported an idea of a friend of hers: That the Island is The Garden of Eden, the Golden Light is the Tree of Life.
Carol wondered if Jacob let Smokey out when he sent in MIB's body...that, like Pandora and her infamous Box, Jacob freed the evil Smokey by going where he wasn't supposed to go...where he had been warned to avoid.
ALL the characters on the show are combinations of Good and Bad...we like that.
Melissa felt that it was the Producers speaking to the audience when FM told Claudia "Every question I answer will simply lead to more questions"... oh, yes, message received loud and clear...not that we like it.
Also seems that we fans assumed the rules of the Island were fixed (they made us think that!) but now it seems they are telling us the Rules are what the Protector makes up, OK, decides on. We had a spirited discussion on the difference between unchanging rules of the Universe, ie, gravity, and rules that a group (or ruler) comes up with that can be changed, like the legal drinking age or what side of the road you drive on. I think we were all a bit disappointed that the Island's Rules not the former.
I asked if anyone thought that BIB's ability to see his real dead mom, Claudia, was in any way related to Hurely's ability to see dead people. He could do this away from the Island as well as on it. I was roundly told NO...but I can't shake a feeling...
Carol reported on a TVGuide.com poll asking fans what they hoped would be the ending of the show. Carol felt the best idea (and we agreed): Bob Newhart waking up in bed next to wife played by Susanne Pleshette and exclaiming "boy if you thought that dream about an Inn in Vermont was something..." That harkens back to the ending from the show Newhart, 1982 - 1990, maybe the greatest ending to a TV show ever. But, it was a sitcom...
What we fear is that there will be another "incident", a fade to black...and then, a close-up on an eye opening.... and that's it! I will just plotz!
Namaste, Yinz
Thursday, May 13, 2010
Across the Sea 6.15 First Musings
Well, Faux Mom Allison Janney instructed her boys not to ask questions as they only lead to more questions. After this episode I came away with, you got it, more questions.
1. If FM made it so the boys couldn't hurt each other, how could Jacob knock out and beat up MIB and send him into the Golden Light?
2. What is the time frame for this....? Real Mom, aka Claudia, was speaking Latin... so is this before the fall of the Roman Empire?
2A. Where IS the Island? We know it moves...why assume it's in the Pacific Ocean so far back in time...perhaps it started out in the Atlantic...or the Mediterranean - and yes, the thought "Atlantis" crossed my mind. Maybe Atlantis didn't sink..it moved.
2B. Where is the Statue? And if the Statue doesn't exist yet did Jacob build it to replace his former home, now the "tomb" for his FM and brother? AND if he built it how would he know of an Egyptian goddess if he never left the Island?
3. Which leads to when did Jacob discover he COULD leave the Island? (I have a note the FM told both boys they could never leave. So what would keep them from going... or was it another lie to KEEP them from leaving.) We know he gets out to touch potential candidates... like to Korea for the Kwon wedding.
4. Young MIB could see his dead REAL Mom... is there any connection to Hurley having the ability to see Dead People?
5. Is the Temple pool fed by the waters of the Golden Light Stream?
I haven't had time to read any recaps yet except for the Washington Post ladies. They are the ones who said that Real Mom's name is Claudia. I don't remember hearing that...but they did confirm that we never got a name for BIB/MIB, which leads me to yet another question:
6. Why didn't she name him...does it tie to her very strange look when she saw Baby #2? I thought maybe it was something to do with the afterbirth that was still on him (Jacob was all nice and clean) when she laid him next to Jacob. But then....
7. If something troubled her, why did she seem to favor BIB over Jacob? She calls him special, leaves the game for him, etc. Is it that he figures things out...is too smart for her, is as good a liar as she is so in the end she can't control him?
Wow, talk about Mommy Issues....this Island is not Family Friendly to say the least. Well, I am all muddled over this one... And Yes, I admit that, like everyone, I was wrong about Adam and Eve. That was the corker of the episode. For all the betrayal and heartbreak Jacob still seemed to understand the family bonds and love... and loss. I wish we had gotten to see him in the days after that scene...what decisions he made on how to live, how to go on while so alone. How did he discover his "powers" to bring people to the Island, to grant life, and again, how to leave and return.
So many more questions...so little time left.
Update: Lisa from the LOST Lunch Gang sent out this recap...lots of interesting ideas, theories and yes, more questions http://www.fancast.com/blogs/2010/tv-news/lost-across-the-sea-raised-by-another/?cmpid=FCST_tvnews
Update #2: Niece Jennifer sent me this; from the actors who play MIB and Jacob:
http://tvwatch.people.com/2010/05/12/lost-jacob-man-in-black-final-season/?xid=rss-topheadlines&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+people%2Fheadlines+%28PEOPLE.com%3A+Top+Headlines%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo
Namaste, Yinz
1. If FM made it so the boys couldn't hurt each other, how could Jacob knock out and beat up MIB and send him into the Golden Light?
2. What is the time frame for this....? Real Mom, aka Claudia, was speaking Latin... so is this before the fall of the Roman Empire?
2A. Where IS the Island? We know it moves...why assume it's in the Pacific Ocean so far back in time...perhaps it started out in the Atlantic...or the Mediterranean - and yes, the thought "Atlantis" crossed my mind. Maybe Atlantis didn't sink..it moved.
2B. Where is the Statue? And if the Statue doesn't exist yet did Jacob build it to replace his former home, now the "tomb" for his FM and brother? AND if he built it how would he know of an Egyptian goddess if he never left the Island?
3. Which leads to when did Jacob discover he COULD leave the Island? (I have a note the FM told both boys they could never leave. So what would keep them from going... or was it another lie to KEEP them from leaving.) We know he gets out to touch potential candidates... like to Korea for the Kwon wedding.
4. Young MIB could see his dead REAL Mom... is there any connection to Hurley having the ability to see Dead People?
5. Is the Temple pool fed by the waters of the Golden Light Stream?
I haven't had time to read any recaps yet except for the Washington Post ladies. They are the ones who said that Real Mom's name is Claudia. I don't remember hearing that...but they did confirm that we never got a name for BIB/MIB, which leads me to yet another question:
6. Why didn't she name him...does it tie to her very strange look when she saw Baby #2? I thought maybe it was something to do with the afterbirth that was still on him (Jacob was all nice and clean) when she laid him next to Jacob. But then....
7. If something troubled her, why did she seem to favor BIB over Jacob? She calls him special, leaves the game for him, etc. Is it that he figures things out...is too smart for her, is as good a liar as she is so in the end she can't control him?
Wow, talk about Mommy Issues....this Island is not Family Friendly to say the least. Well, I am all muddled over this one... And Yes, I admit that, like everyone, I was wrong about Adam and Eve. That was the corker of the episode. For all the betrayal and heartbreak Jacob still seemed to understand the family bonds and love... and loss. I wish we had gotten to see him in the days after that scene...what decisions he made on how to live, how to go on while so alone. How did he discover his "powers" to bring people to the Island, to grant life, and again, how to leave and return.
So many more questions...so little time left.
Update: Lisa from the LOST Lunch Gang sent out this recap...lots of interesting ideas, theories and yes, more questions http://www.fancast.com/blogs/2010/tv-news/lost-across-the-sea-raised-by-another/?cmpid=FCST_tvnews
Update #2: Niece Jennifer sent me this; from the actors who play MIB and Jacob:
http://tvwatch.people.com/2010/05/12/lost-jacob-man-in-black-final-season/?xid=rss-topheadlines&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+people%2Fheadlines+%28PEOPLE.com%3A+Top+Headlines%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo
Namaste, Yinz
Tuesday, May 11, 2010
Robin Hood - First Look
I am the first to admit that when I heard that my favorite actor, Russell Crowe, was going to do a new version of one of my favorite film characters, Robin Hood - the 1938 Errol Flynn version is film at its best - I was more than a bit nervous. But then I saw several clips and heard Ridley and Russell explain their goals and I started to feel a bit better. Now, after reading these reviews I am positively giddy with excitement.
http://www.urbancinefile.com.au/home/view.asp?a=16869&s=Reviews
Interesting that the 2 best Robins are both from Australia... yep, ole Errol was from Hobart,Tasmania. I always wondered if the wits at Looney Toons (the great Warner Brothers Studio Cartoon Kingdom) created the Tasmanian Devil in honor of Errol....
This review from the Guardian isn't too shabby, either:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/may/11/robin-hood-cannes-film-review?CMP=twt_gu
Funny that it's opening in France, at the Cannes Film Festival.....
Namaste, Yinz!
http://www.urbancinefile.com.au/home/view.asp?a=16869&s=Reviews
Interesting that the 2 best Robins are both from Australia... yep, ole Errol was from Hobart,Tasmania. I always wondered if the wits at Looney Toons (the great Warner Brothers Studio Cartoon Kingdom) created the Tasmanian Devil in honor of Errol....
This review from the Guardian isn't too shabby, either:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/may/11/robin-hood-cannes-film-review?CMP=twt_gu
Funny that it's opening in France, at the Cannes Film Festival.....
Namaste, Yinz!
Saturday, May 8, 2010
Lost Lunch 6.14 The Candidate
I hope you all have heard by now that the Series Finale on Sunday May 23rd has been expanded to run until 11:30pm. So, I hope you are all planning on taking that Monday off...right? Also, Entertainment Weekly's May 14th issue has 10 different cover photos of our favorite Flight 815 survivors. I got mine in the mail as a subscriber (Jack) but I suspect it will be on sale at newstands this week. There are several good articles on the show inside, including a handy 2 page chart as to how all the characters relate to each other, a look back at the filming of the series premiere, lots of great photos, and more. Check it out.
Lunch was a small gathering as many people don't work on Fridays these days. My sense was that all were still saddened by the episode and still absorbing it. I, for one, can't bring myself to watch it again. Though after reading some recaps it is evident I missed some little things...like Jin's appearance at the hospital in Sideways World as Jack and Locke talked. Its hard to see with tears in your eyes.
Apparently I am not alone in not wanting to watch it again...it was the first thing mentioned at lunch. They did all confirm the Jin sighting, so I guess it happened...
We discussed how Anthony Cooper was injured in Sideways World and how it was a clever spin on the Flight 815 scenario... In Island World Locke was crippled by his father and healed by the plane crash, in Sideways World he cripples himself and his father in a plane crash he feels (but doesn't know how) he caused. Carol noted that the actor playing AC, Kevin Tighe, got a listing in the credits, unusual for someone with no dialogue. Also answered the question as to why he looked familiar...he was on the old show Emergency in the 1970's...yeah, before some of you were born...ha ha. (Check him out at
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001798/ Actually its amazing what a career he's had.)
Sadly, all (Phyllis, Kristina and Carol were in attendence) fell that Lapidus is really, most sincerely dead. Felt that though we all liked him for his comic relief he really had no real purpose. I take the stand of the classic film Sullivan's Travels that few things in life are as important as comic relief...so until they show me a body I am going to keep my fingers crossed.
Phyllis brought up the question that I had as I drifed off to sleep Tuesday night: WHERE THE HECK ARE BEN, MILES AND RICHARD ALPERT????? She confirmed my sense that we haven't seen them since they refused to go along with Hurley's March to Find Smockey. My, they must be feeling pretty full of themselves right now. I am wondering if we will see them sitting around with Desmond over a cup of tea, or scotch, when Jack and Co. wander up to the Well.
Phyllis stated that there is now no question that MIB/Smokey is EVIL. Carol mentioned (I think from a conversation published somewhere with the producers) that the purpose behind the deaths of Sun and Jin was to prove that once and for all. You know, I didn't need convincing, guys...!!! Really.
Hurley and Jack blubbering at the end really got to Kristina...and apparently Doc Jensen.
I mentioned my thought that Sawyer will be very eaten up by guilt over his decision to pull the wires that caused the explosion that leads to the Kwon's deaths; so eaten up he will do something reckless that leads to his death...and maybe Kate will too, or die of her wound. The point is...they could end up being Adam and Eve. This led Phyllis to noting that one body was found with a white stone and one with a black stone. So... one person had been evil and one good? She also mentioned something in the Washington Post Ladies recap: Perhaps Kate and Jack are not on the list so MIB would not be concerned with them... and so not go after them. (we wondered about which list... she clarified that it was the list that Widmore had of 4 names...the same 4 names that Ben had given Michael under orders to bring back so he could get his son.... wow.) So, not the "list" of names on the cave wall. All clear now? Sure.
OK, then... I asked if Widmore is a "Good Witch" now...that he DID mean to protect them by putting them in that cage.. Smokey couldn't get them because he can't kill them himself and they wouldn't have gotten on the sub. Though in retrospect I suppose he could have tossed in the C-4 and the same scenario might have played out.
No one was sure of the significance of the music box Claire showed Jack in Sideways World...though we all remember the song as one sung to baby Aaron. Rousseau had a music box with a ballerina on it...and though not exact, Claire did become the Island Crazy Lady with a Lost Baby. Speaking of Claire we all felt bad for her...once again she was abandoned, left behind, but she can't really blame Kate since she saw her get shot. But then again, SHE'S CRAZY so who knows whether this will push her completely over or... maybe anger at Smockey may bring her back to sanity, sort of.
Something prompted Carol to remember a line from the film The Jewel of the Nile, I believe the holy man (who is the "jewel" of the title) says at some point "I'm sure it's not my destiny to die on this island." We do have a far ranging discussion....don't we?
Kristina made the great point that Sawyer's guilt over the deaths of Sayid and the Kwon's "evens out" the guilt of Jack over the death of Juliet. Maybe they can finally put that behind them a really work together now...if the guilt, as I mentioned earlier, doesn't cause Sawyer to unravel. Last week we had discussed how Sawyer's distrust of everyone had been a good defense...but he took his distrust too far. Phyllis read the entry from Doc Jensen on Sawyer...he wanted to have a great escape plan that worked where Jack's had failed, but instead of success he "found his Waterloo".... that he finally got a real taste of the downside of leadership. Doc also predicts that if Sawyer comes to an untimely end it will be at Claire's hand...since it was Sawyer who made the call to leave her behind. (though she may not be so upset since the sub sank.)
Carol wondered why Jack didn't notice a difference in his backpack, C-4 must feel different from shirts. I think we gave that one up to dramatic license. I thought maybe Smocke had set up the bomb on the plane in the first place but everyone else thought he was taking advantage of the opportunity of getting the explosives. I'm still not convinced... though I now understand the whole stealing the watch thing...he needed it for the timer on the bomb on the sub - the one on the plane was wired into its controls. I just have a hard time accepting that Smockey would be herding them all to the Sub without knowing in advance how he was going to get them to kill each other.
I mentioned finally that I wasn't surprised by the Kwon's deaths; sad, yes, but not surprised. Its as though their story was over...the Island was done with them. But oh brother, what a powerful film moment...the choice to show their hands separating under the water was just soooo heart breaking, so final.
Well, as someone famous once said, talk amongst yourselves, I'm all vaklemplt!
Namaste, Yinz.
Lunch was a small gathering as many people don't work on Fridays these days. My sense was that all were still saddened by the episode and still absorbing it. I, for one, can't bring myself to watch it again. Though after reading some recaps it is evident I missed some little things...like Jin's appearance at the hospital in Sideways World as Jack and Locke talked. Its hard to see with tears in your eyes.
Apparently I am not alone in not wanting to watch it again...it was the first thing mentioned at lunch. They did all confirm the Jin sighting, so I guess it happened...
We discussed how Anthony Cooper was injured in Sideways World and how it was a clever spin on the Flight 815 scenario... In Island World Locke was crippled by his father and healed by the plane crash, in Sideways World he cripples himself and his father in a plane crash he feels (but doesn't know how) he caused. Carol noted that the actor playing AC, Kevin Tighe, got a listing in the credits, unusual for someone with no dialogue. Also answered the question as to why he looked familiar...he was on the old show Emergency in the 1970's...yeah, before some of you were born...ha ha. (Check him out at
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001798/ Actually its amazing what a career he's had.)
Sadly, all (Phyllis, Kristina and Carol were in attendence) fell that Lapidus is really, most sincerely dead. Felt that though we all liked him for his comic relief he really had no real purpose. I take the stand of the classic film Sullivan's Travels that few things in life are as important as comic relief...so until they show me a body I am going to keep my fingers crossed.
Phyllis brought up the question that I had as I drifed off to sleep Tuesday night: WHERE THE HECK ARE BEN, MILES AND RICHARD ALPERT????? She confirmed my sense that we haven't seen them since they refused to go along with Hurley's March to Find Smockey. My, they must be feeling pretty full of themselves right now. I am wondering if we will see them sitting around with Desmond over a cup of tea, or scotch, when Jack and Co. wander up to the Well.
Phyllis stated that there is now no question that MIB/Smokey is EVIL. Carol mentioned (I think from a conversation published somewhere with the producers) that the purpose behind the deaths of Sun and Jin was to prove that once and for all. You know, I didn't need convincing, guys...!!! Really.
Hurley and Jack blubbering at the end really got to Kristina...and apparently Doc Jensen.
I mentioned my thought that Sawyer will be very eaten up by guilt over his decision to pull the wires that caused the explosion that leads to the Kwon's deaths; so eaten up he will do something reckless that leads to his death...and maybe Kate will too, or die of her wound. The point is...they could end up being Adam and Eve. This led Phyllis to noting that one body was found with a white stone and one with a black stone. So... one person had been evil and one good? She also mentioned something in the Washington Post Ladies recap: Perhaps Kate and Jack are not on the list so MIB would not be concerned with them... and so not go after them. (we wondered about which list... she clarified that it was the list that Widmore had of 4 names...the same 4 names that Ben had given Michael under orders to bring back so he could get his son.... wow.) So, not the "list" of names on the cave wall. All clear now? Sure.
OK, then... I asked if Widmore is a "Good Witch" now...that he DID mean to protect them by putting them in that cage.. Smokey couldn't get them because he can't kill them himself and they wouldn't have gotten on the sub. Though in retrospect I suppose he could have tossed in the C-4 and the same scenario might have played out.
No one was sure of the significance of the music box Claire showed Jack in Sideways World...though we all remember the song as one sung to baby Aaron. Rousseau had a music box with a ballerina on it...and though not exact, Claire did become the Island Crazy Lady with a Lost Baby. Speaking of Claire we all felt bad for her...once again she was abandoned, left behind, but she can't really blame Kate since she saw her get shot. But then again, SHE'S CRAZY so who knows whether this will push her completely over or... maybe anger at Smockey may bring her back to sanity, sort of.
Something prompted Carol to remember a line from the film The Jewel of the Nile, I believe the holy man (who is the "jewel" of the title) says at some point "I'm sure it's not my destiny to die on this island." We do have a far ranging discussion....don't we?
Kristina made the great point that Sawyer's guilt over the deaths of Sayid and the Kwon's "evens out" the guilt of Jack over the death of Juliet. Maybe they can finally put that behind them a really work together now...if the guilt, as I mentioned earlier, doesn't cause Sawyer to unravel. Last week we had discussed how Sawyer's distrust of everyone had been a good defense...but he took his distrust too far. Phyllis read the entry from Doc Jensen on Sawyer...he wanted to have a great escape plan that worked where Jack's had failed, but instead of success he "found his Waterloo".... that he finally got a real taste of the downside of leadership. Doc also predicts that if Sawyer comes to an untimely end it will be at Claire's hand...since it was Sawyer who made the call to leave her behind. (though she may not be so upset since the sub sank.)
Carol wondered why Jack didn't notice a difference in his backpack, C-4 must feel different from shirts. I think we gave that one up to dramatic license. I thought maybe Smocke had set up the bomb on the plane in the first place but everyone else thought he was taking advantage of the opportunity of getting the explosives. I'm still not convinced... though I now understand the whole stealing the watch thing...he needed it for the timer on the bomb on the sub - the one on the plane was wired into its controls. I just have a hard time accepting that Smockey would be herding them all to the Sub without knowing in advance how he was going to get them to kill each other.
I mentioned finally that I wasn't surprised by the Kwon's deaths; sad, yes, but not surprised. Its as though their story was over...the Island was done with them. But oh brother, what a powerful film moment...the choice to show their hands separating under the water was just soooo heart breaking, so final.
Well, as someone famous once said, talk amongst yourselves, I'm all vaklemplt!
Namaste, Yinz.
Wednesday, May 5, 2010
The Candidate, 6.14 First Thoughts
So, finally we know - Smocke is EVIL, no doubt left. I wept over Sun and Jin, though for some reason it did not come as a surprise; in a way the death of Lapidus was more upsetting. I was glad Sayid chose self sacrifice and completed his redemption.
The thought that kept me agitated was: Sawyer will not be able to live with his guilt over pulling the wires. He will throw himself into danger and die. Then it hit me...what if Adam and Eve are Sawyer and Kate!?!?! They don't necessarily have to die at the same time...but her wound could end up killing her, too. Just a thought.
Doc Jensen has an early note on the episode at http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/04/lost-producers-actors-candidate/ I love Terry O'Quinn's take on Smockey: “Puffy is one nasty mo-fo.” Sounds like another T-Shirt to me!
Ok, I have to run, but I know its going to be a long week until the next episode and we can start to move on. Oh, and as of now the LUNCH has been moved to Friday. That will give us all time to pull ourselves together...not to mention read all the recaps.
A very sad Namaste, Yinz
The thought that kept me agitated was: Sawyer will not be able to live with his guilt over pulling the wires. He will throw himself into danger and die. Then it hit me...what if Adam and Eve are Sawyer and Kate!?!?! They don't necessarily have to die at the same time...but her wound could end up killing her, too. Just a thought.
Doc Jensen has an early note on the episode at http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/04/lost-producers-actors-candidate/ I love Terry O'Quinn's take on Smockey: “Puffy is one nasty mo-fo.” Sounds like another T-Shirt to me!
Ok, I have to run, but I know its going to be a long week until the next episode and we can start to move on. Oh, and as of now the LUNCH has been moved to Friday. That will give us all time to pull ourselves together...not to mention read all the recaps.
A very sad Namaste, Yinz
Thursday, April 29, 2010
Interview with our Constant
Just to keep our hearts a flutter during this off week, Jen Cheney, one of the lovely ladies at the Washington Post Blog, posted an interview with the actor behind our favorite Constant, Desmond Hume... the one, the only Henry Ian Cusick.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/celebritology/2010/04/talking_lost_with_henry_ian_cu.html#more
Enjoy!
Namaste, Yinz.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/celebritology/2010/04/talking_lost_with_henry_ian_cu.html#more
Enjoy!
Namaste, Yinz.
Sunday, April 25, 2010
LOST Lunch 6.13 The Last Recruit
Sorry for the delay, I have been a bit under the weather this weekend.
Small group for this one. Started off with Phyllis' rating: she loved this episode; she felt it moved smoothly, answered questions, and of course, Jin and Sun (she was so excited she called them "Sin and Jon") finally got together! She also loved the scene's with Jack and his son David in Sideways World. Feeling that David is such a "mini-me" of Jack. All agreed that was great - good development of their relationship.
Melissa said her first thought when she saw Sun and Jin approaching each other on Hydra was...don't get electrocuted from the fence! She, along with me and many others, hadn't heard Zoe (Widmore's 2nd in Command) ask for the fences to be turned off. And I watched it twice! Just shows you where my head and heart were....
Loved Claire's horrified reaction when she asked if Desmond was a lawyer - and his emphatic "NO!"
NO ONE believes Sayid killed Desmond. Feel that Desmond is triggering redeeming factors in all the characters; helping them to come back from the dark side, as Hurley so rightly put it. Interesting thought...Ben's journey back began with Ilana's "I'll have you." That was before Desmond's return. So are there other agents at work, as well? Phyllis did wonder if it was meeting Desmond that started one on the road to redemption...and Ben's may have started when he stopped his attack on Penny when he saw little Charlie. Melissa felt that perhaps Hurley's line about redemption and Anakin Skywalker was put in purposely to get people thinking that redemption IS a real possibility.
Side note: Carol noted that she had started to look into making plans for a vacation in Edinburgh, Scotland, and on one site was instructed to "Contact Ms. Hume" !!!!! We were almost surprised she was still here. ;-)
Melissa also had a problem trusting Claire, doesn't feel the same about her change. Felt that she made a choice to leave Aaron, to leave the rest of the group. But, then we don't know yet what transpired between Christian/MIB/Smocke/Whoever back then. She also reminded us that when Claire left Australia to come to the U.S. her Mom was in a coma from a car accident. Boy, we had forgotten that. So... we thought it would be nice for Jack or Kate to bring up that her Mom is alright.
Melissa brought up a good point: doesn't understand why MIB needed Locke's body to be on the plane if he wasn't going to use it. After all, Ilana's group had Locke's body in that silver metal box and made everyone look at it. They buried it at that wonderful funeral where Ben spoke so movingly (yes, I'm teasing - remember Lapidus' comment!) So... MIB hasn't really "taken over" the body.... what's up with that? And if MIB was Christian Shephard (or vice versa) what became of Christian's body?
The scene with Kate and Sawyer at the police station came up, along with the possible implication of the apples (are they Adam and Eve) but it didn't get any discussion.
I brought up my theory of the Candidates and why Smocke needs them off the Island. [He wants them off before the chosen one can take over Jacob's role...and recapture Smocke - put him back in the bottle, so to speak.] As usual the brilliant minds came up with other ideas. Phyllis thinks he really wants them all DEAD; that he will destroy the plane when they are on it. I asked how he could pull that off if he's on it and Carol said: "he'll get off because its a non-smoking flight". Really. Phyllis turned our attention to Doc Jensen's recap which was surprisingly lucid this week. See page under "The Island World: Smokey and the Bandits" his laying out of Smockey trying to get someone else to kill the Candidates - like Widmore.
Phyllis thinks all the candidates have to die for him to get off the Island, but someone else has to do it. Thinking of the Candidates as the Cork...Carol felt that the Cork doesn't have to be destroyed for the Evil to escape, just out of the Bottle - but better and more final if destroyed.
Melissa stated that if Desmond dies she will destroy her LOST DVD's. She warned that TVGuide.com said that there is an episode coming that will "break your heart over and over again..." oh swell. We agreed that there is something about the Desmond/Penny Dynamic that we just love, so well done. As an example Carol pointed to the little moment in Sideways World when they met at the stadium... after he agreed to meet her later for coffee...as she walked away she looked back and gave a little "yes!" motion. So real.
I wondered yet again about Charles Widmore... good or evil? Melissa harkened back to his comment to Locke after meeting in the hospital in Tunisia. Widmore told him that a war was coming. Since then she has thought he was on the good side. I said that often people working for the "greater good" can still do some pretty awful things. At the same moment, Carol and I mentioned the Vulcan philosophy of "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and the one"... Yikes!!! Talk about Great Minds... Or, as a poster I used to have said: Everything I Need to Know About Life I Learned from Star Trek.
Some really nice reflections on Sayid in the Doc Jensen piece. "what he wants to be is the man Nadia fell in love with - he made the choice to be that man again." Nice.
Some blogs make a big deal about Sun and Jin talking English in their big reunion scene but Carol and Melissa didn't think it mattered. Carol did ask: Is Jack dead? Not a bad observation - I mean, he did get quite a walloping from Widmore's artillery and Smocke carried him away, saying "don't worry, you're with me now..." It does harken back to when Claire was blown up in the house. Has Jack been "reanimated" by Smocke? And questions about Ghost Jacob? As Doc Jensen brought up many (all?) of his instructions haven't turned out so good. Oh no, could he be...?
Jack's statement to Sawyer "..the Island isn't done with us yet..." harkens back to the first season when Locke, man of Faith, told Jack, the Man of Science, "The Island brought us here for a reason". Have they changed places? Is Jack really Smocke's "Last Recruit" ?
Yet Carol noted something very deep: Sawyer is non-corruptable. He is the one pure soul - he is only interested in himself so he can't be manipulated. For Sawyer being unable to trust anyone is a strength on the Island. Neither Smocke nor Widmore can get to him.
It was noted that a lot of bodies have piled up over the course of the show, so when you see the title of the upcoming episode "What They Died For" who knows who they are talking about? One thing we all agreed on was that we liked that this show becasue it is so unpredictable. It doesn't follow the usual rules or patterns of TV or movies. "They whip you all around!"
Someone noted that, according to a piece on a DVD, they were going to originally cast Michael Keaton as Jack...when the character was going to be killed off in the series premiere. But something happened and when they decided not to kill off Jack the actor couldn't commit to the series. So....the rest, as they say, is history.
Somewhere I think we talked about whether it was Smocke bringing people back to life , that whole "reanimation" thing - so Sayid could think that he was revived by him and so he could bring back Nadia. But I don't think it's Smocke/MIB. I think he might want Sayid to believe that. But remember... Kate and Sawyer gave young Ben to Richard Alpert to heal. I can't remember how they knew (someone want to fill that in?) but I am thinking that he could be helped by the pool at the Temple because he was still innocent. We know that the pool was different when Sayid was in it and that he was considered infected. What Smocke is doing is different. John Locke is not "alive" again... I think we are seeing a fake, cheap copy. Oh, well, its late and been a crazy weekend so probably not a good time to ponder all of this. We have an extra week to work this all out, right!?!
Namaste, Yinz!
Small group for this one. Started off with Phyllis' rating: she loved this episode; she felt it moved smoothly, answered questions, and of course, Jin and Sun (she was so excited she called them "Sin and Jon") finally got together! She also loved the scene's with Jack and his son David in Sideways World. Feeling that David is such a "mini-me" of Jack. All agreed that was great - good development of their relationship.
Melissa said her first thought when she saw Sun and Jin approaching each other on Hydra was...don't get electrocuted from the fence! She, along with me and many others, hadn't heard Zoe (Widmore's 2nd in Command) ask for the fences to be turned off. And I watched it twice! Just shows you where my head and heart were....
Loved Claire's horrified reaction when she asked if Desmond was a lawyer - and his emphatic "NO!"
NO ONE believes Sayid killed Desmond. Feel that Desmond is triggering redeeming factors in all the characters; helping them to come back from the dark side, as Hurley so rightly put it. Interesting thought...Ben's journey back began with Ilana's "I'll have you." That was before Desmond's return. So are there other agents at work, as well? Phyllis did wonder if it was meeting Desmond that started one on the road to redemption...and Ben's may have started when he stopped his attack on Penny when he saw little Charlie. Melissa felt that perhaps Hurley's line about redemption and Anakin Skywalker was put in purposely to get people thinking that redemption IS a real possibility.
Side note: Carol noted that she had started to look into making plans for a vacation in Edinburgh, Scotland, and on one site was instructed to "Contact Ms. Hume" !!!!! We were almost surprised she was still here. ;-)
Melissa also had a problem trusting Claire, doesn't feel the same about her change. Felt that she made a choice to leave Aaron, to leave the rest of the group. But, then we don't know yet what transpired between Christian/MIB/Smocke/Whoever back then. She also reminded us that when Claire left Australia to come to the U.S. her Mom was in a coma from a car accident. Boy, we had forgotten that. So... we thought it would be nice for Jack or Kate to bring up that her Mom is alright.
Melissa brought up a good point: doesn't understand why MIB needed Locke's body to be on the plane if he wasn't going to use it. After all, Ilana's group had Locke's body in that silver metal box and made everyone look at it. They buried it at that wonderful funeral where Ben spoke so movingly (yes, I'm teasing - remember Lapidus' comment!) So... MIB hasn't really "taken over" the body.... what's up with that? And if MIB was Christian Shephard (or vice versa) what became of Christian's body?
The scene with Kate and Sawyer at the police station came up, along with the possible implication of the apples (are they Adam and Eve) but it didn't get any discussion.
I brought up my theory of the Candidates and why Smocke needs them off the Island. [He wants them off before the chosen one can take over Jacob's role...and recapture Smocke - put him back in the bottle, so to speak.] As usual the brilliant minds came up with other ideas. Phyllis thinks he really wants them all DEAD; that he will destroy the plane when they are on it. I asked how he could pull that off if he's on it and Carol said: "he'll get off because its a non-smoking flight". Really. Phyllis turned our attention to Doc Jensen's recap which was surprisingly lucid this week. See page under "The Island World: Smokey and the Bandits" his laying out of Smockey trying to get someone else to kill the Candidates - like Widmore.
Phyllis thinks all the candidates have to die for him to get off the Island, but someone else has to do it. Thinking of the Candidates as the Cork...Carol felt that the Cork doesn't have to be destroyed for the Evil to escape, just out of the Bottle - but better and more final if destroyed.
Melissa stated that if Desmond dies she will destroy her LOST DVD's. She warned that TVGuide.com said that there is an episode coming that will "break your heart over and over again..." oh swell. We agreed that there is something about the Desmond/Penny Dynamic that we just love, so well done. As an example Carol pointed to the little moment in Sideways World when they met at the stadium... after he agreed to meet her later for coffee...as she walked away she looked back and gave a little "yes!" motion. So real.
I wondered yet again about Charles Widmore... good or evil? Melissa harkened back to his comment to Locke after meeting in the hospital in Tunisia. Widmore told him that a war was coming. Since then she has thought he was on the good side. I said that often people working for the "greater good" can still do some pretty awful things. At the same moment, Carol and I mentioned the Vulcan philosophy of "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and the one"... Yikes!!! Talk about Great Minds... Or, as a poster I used to have said: Everything I Need to Know About Life I Learned from Star Trek.
Some really nice reflections on Sayid in the Doc Jensen piece. "what he wants to be is the man Nadia fell in love with - he made the choice to be that man again." Nice.
Some blogs make a big deal about Sun and Jin talking English in their big reunion scene but Carol and Melissa didn't think it mattered. Carol did ask: Is Jack dead? Not a bad observation - I mean, he did get quite a walloping from Widmore's artillery and Smocke carried him away, saying "don't worry, you're with me now..." It does harken back to when Claire was blown up in the house. Has Jack been "reanimated" by Smocke? And questions about Ghost Jacob? As Doc Jensen brought up many (all?) of his instructions haven't turned out so good. Oh no, could he be...?
Jack's statement to Sawyer "..the Island isn't done with us yet..." harkens back to the first season when Locke, man of Faith, told Jack, the Man of Science, "The Island brought us here for a reason". Have they changed places? Is Jack really Smocke's "Last Recruit" ?
Yet Carol noted something very deep: Sawyer is non-corruptable. He is the one pure soul - he is only interested in himself so he can't be manipulated. For Sawyer being unable to trust anyone is a strength on the Island. Neither Smocke nor Widmore can get to him.
It was noted that a lot of bodies have piled up over the course of the show, so when you see the title of the upcoming episode "What They Died For" who knows who they are talking about? One thing we all agreed on was that we liked that this show becasue it is so unpredictable. It doesn't follow the usual rules or patterns of TV or movies. "They whip you all around!"
Someone noted that, according to a piece on a DVD, they were going to originally cast Michael Keaton as Jack...when the character was going to be killed off in the series premiere. But something happened and when they decided not to kill off Jack the actor couldn't commit to the series. So....the rest, as they say, is history.
Somewhere I think we talked about whether it was Smocke bringing people back to life , that whole "reanimation" thing - so Sayid could think that he was revived by him and so he could bring back Nadia. But I don't think it's Smocke/MIB. I think he might want Sayid to believe that. But remember... Kate and Sawyer gave young Ben to Richard Alpert to heal. I can't remember how they knew (someone want to fill that in?) but I am thinking that he could be helped by the pool at the Temple because he was still innocent. We know that the pool was different when Sayid was in it and that he was considered infected. What Smocke is doing is different. John Locke is not "alive" again... I think we are seeing a fake, cheap copy. Oh, well, its late and been a crazy weekend so probably not a good time to ponder all of this. We have an extra week to work this all out, right!?!
Namaste, Yinz!
Friday, April 23, 2010
One More Musing on 6.13
As I drifted off to sleep last night something that the Ladies at the Washington Post said went through my mind: "As Jack is poised to save John Locke's life in the sideways world, could it be that on island he's also going to attempt to bring Locke/MIB back from the dark side?" And then I remembered from the season premiere...near the end when Jack and Locke meet at the airport. Jack asked Locke what happened (re: being in the wheel chair) and tells him he's a spinal surgeon. Locke says "My condition is irreversible." Jack responds "Nothing is irreversable".... at the time I thought it was a reference to the Incident, BUT what if it refers to MIB taking over Locke...or both?
Now, I must get some coffee....
Namaste, Yinz!
Now, I must get some coffee....
Namaste, Yinz!
Thursday, April 22, 2010
Musings on The Last Recruit 6.13
Well, I watched the episode for the second time tonight. You will be happy to know that as of now... I am still as puzzled as ever. But, also very suspicious about a few things.
First, it was great that Jin and Sun finally got back together in Island World. It did seem a little rushed and I have to admit that until the ladies from Totally Lost brought up the curiosity of their big reunion happening in English it hadn't hit me - why not in Korean? I don't care...they are back together... just like their Sideways World versions... So, does the language difference mean anything, like a hint at which one is "real" ? Man, I hope not. But even as I watched the first time I had a bad feeling...just like I didn't quite believe Jin telling Sun that the baby was alright. I had a feeling he was telling her that to keep her calm.
Second, I was riveted by the conversation between Smocke and Jack at the beginning...the one where Smocke claims he was, in fact, all the dead people traipsing about the Island, including Jack's Dad. Well, to put it bluntly I DON'T BELIEVE HIM. Call me crazy but this is a murdering, psycho pile of sociopathic SMOKE for heavens sake. He tells people what they want to hear to get them to do his bidding. So, pardon me if I don't buy his story.
Smocke tells Jack all he has ever wanted to do is to help him. Help him what? "Leave...but because Jacob chose you, you were trapped on this Island...before you even got here. [What the heck does that little line mean?] Now Jacob's dead we don't have to stay". Jack asks "if you can fly away whenever you want why are you still here?" Smocke says "Because it has to be all of us." Now, all this set off red lights in my head. Smocke couldn't kill Jacob himself, he had to get someone else to do it. But he still can't leave. Hmmm, why did it take him so long to find someone to manipulate (Ben) into killing Jacob? Why, now that its been done, can't he leave? My brain twisted with these questions until...I thought...what if the reason he needs to get them off the Island is because if one of them assumes the mantle of Protector...becomes the New Jacob...he will have the power to imprison MIB again. If The Candidates (Sawyer, Jack, one of the Kwons, etc) does whatever it takes to win the dubious prize of Jacobness.... they will surely know that Job One is putting Smocke back in his hole...bottle, whatever. BUT.... because they are Candidates HE CAN'T KILL THEM. I wonder if he just left would there be the danger of the New Jacob (the old one could leave the Island) going after him or somehow getting him back...after all, how did he get there in the first place?
OK, a more minor question...if Widmore is sending in artillery to get Smocke... if bombs can kill him...why didn't they just shoot him or blow him up when he first went over there? I think it was before Desmond was back and did his Electromagnetic Doughnut Dance. So...maybe...the shelling is tied to Desmond's Car Attack in Sideways World...? Maybe Smocke has a sense of the Sideways World, too and that's why he tried to speed things up on the Island. Or not.
Third and very important...I don't believe for ONE MINUTE that Sayid really killed Desmond. There is no way he would tell Nadia he killed to bring her back... in Sideways World he tells her he has to leave and never see her again after killing Keamy and company. This is a good thing because I doubt very much that Smocke is the one with the power to bring people back to life.
Oh, and I still think there is a reason both children of Christian Shephard are on that Island.
OK, its late and my brain is fried. I am counting on all the great brains at the LOST Lunch on Friday to provide the answers to everything. cool.
Namaste, Yinz!
First, it was great that Jin and Sun finally got back together in Island World. It did seem a little rushed and I have to admit that until the ladies from Totally Lost brought up the curiosity of their big reunion happening in English it hadn't hit me - why not in Korean? I don't care...they are back together... just like their Sideways World versions... So, does the language difference mean anything, like a hint at which one is "real" ? Man, I hope not. But even as I watched the first time I had a bad feeling...just like I didn't quite believe Jin telling Sun that the baby was alright. I had a feeling he was telling her that to keep her calm.
Second, I was riveted by the conversation between Smocke and Jack at the beginning...the one where Smocke claims he was, in fact, all the dead people traipsing about the Island, including Jack's Dad. Well, to put it bluntly I DON'T BELIEVE HIM. Call me crazy but this is a murdering, psycho pile of sociopathic SMOKE for heavens sake. He tells people what they want to hear to get them to do his bidding. So, pardon me if I don't buy his story.
Smocke tells Jack all he has ever wanted to do is to help him. Help him what? "Leave...but because Jacob chose you, you were trapped on this Island...before you even got here. [What the heck does that little line mean?] Now Jacob's dead we don't have to stay". Jack asks "if you can fly away whenever you want why are you still here?" Smocke says "Because it has to be all of us." Now, all this set off red lights in my head. Smocke couldn't kill Jacob himself, he had to get someone else to do it. But he still can't leave. Hmmm, why did it take him so long to find someone to manipulate (Ben) into killing Jacob? Why, now that its been done, can't he leave? My brain twisted with these questions until...I thought...what if the reason he needs to get them off the Island is because if one of them assumes the mantle of Protector...becomes the New Jacob...he will have the power to imprison MIB again. If The Candidates (Sawyer, Jack, one of the Kwons, etc) does whatever it takes to win the dubious prize of Jacobness.... they will surely know that Job One is putting Smocke back in his hole...bottle, whatever. BUT.... because they are Candidates HE CAN'T KILL THEM. I wonder if he just left would there be the danger of the New Jacob (the old one could leave the Island) going after him or somehow getting him back...after all, how did he get there in the first place?
OK, a more minor question...if Widmore is sending in artillery to get Smocke... if bombs can kill him...why didn't they just shoot him or blow him up when he first went over there? I think it was before Desmond was back and did his Electromagnetic Doughnut Dance. So...maybe...the shelling is tied to Desmond's Car Attack in Sideways World...? Maybe Smocke has a sense of the Sideways World, too and that's why he tried to speed things up on the Island. Or not.
Third and very important...I don't believe for ONE MINUTE that Sayid really killed Desmond. There is no way he would tell Nadia he killed to bring her back... in Sideways World he tells her he has to leave and never see her again after killing Keamy and company. This is a good thing because I doubt very much that Smocke is the one with the power to bring people back to life.
Oh, and I still think there is a reason both children of Christian Shephard are on that Island.
OK, its late and my brain is fried. I am counting on all the great brains at the LOST Lunch on Friday to provide the answers to everything. cool.
Namaste, Yinz!
Tuesday, April 20, 2010
Schedule Info
First, it looks like the LOST LUNCH Gang will be meeting on Friday this week.
Second, here is some information from TVGuide.com http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/lost/100272 :
ABC will air five hours of Lost-themed programming on the night of the show's series finale.
First up on Sunday, May 23: a two-hour recap show of all six seasons of Lost at 7/6c. At 9/8c will be the actual two-hour series finale episode of the series. Finally, at 11:35/10:35c, Lost fanatic Jimmy Kimmel will host Jimmy Kimmel Live: Aloha to Lost, a one-hour special that analyzes the series, with special guests Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof, Lost's co-executive producers, and several as-yet-unnamed cast members.
Tonight's new episode is The Last Recruit. Next week they will re-run Ab Aeterno, the Richard Alpert centric episode. Then, the mad dash to The End, literally.
Namaste, Yinz
Second, here is some information from TVGuide.com http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/lost/100272 :
ABC will air five hours of Lost-themed programming on the night of the show's series finale.
First up on Sunday, May 23: a two-hour recap show of all six seasons of Lost at 7/6c. At 9/8c will be the actual two-hour series finale episode of the series. Finally, at 11:35/10:35c, Lost fanatic Jimmy Kimmel will host Jimmy Kimmel Live: Aloha to Lost, a one-hour special that analyzes the series, with special guests Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof, Lost's co-executive producers, and several as-yet-unnamed cast members.
Tonight's new episode is The Last Recruit. Next week they will re-run Ab Aeterno, the Richard Alpert centric episode. Then, the mad dash to The End, literally.
Namaste, Yinz
Thursday, April 15, 2010
LOST Lunch 6.12 Everybody Loves Hugo
Small group today, work does intrude so....
I started off noting something that really struck me watching the episode: the moments when Smocke seemed to lose his confidence...when that smug look of control fell and one caught a glimpse of fear in his eyes. Once when he saw the young boy - or another young boy, we thought this one was different, and we wondered if it was the bother of the other one. Another instance was when he heard Desmond's response to "Why aren't you afraid?" and another when he heard Desmond's confident answer to "do you know who I am?"
ILANA GOT BLOWN UP!!! what a way to go. It did strike us all as a bit weird that she was so NOT careful with the unstable dynamite from the Black Rock...I mean...dropping those water bottles on top of them in her bag did NOT seem smart. Just what was she trained for... military arts, spying, protecting strange ethereal beings? All of us were glad they didn't show the gore...though we supposed there wasn't anything left of her...must admit we did sort of want another Hugo-ism like "you've got some Ilana on you..." Ben's musings on the incident were priceless.
The Voices - who else might be stuck there? I thought it could be folks going back hundreds of years, but of the Flight 815 passengers we were sort of stumped. If a criteria is that you did something bad... sort of eliminates Boone, Shannon, and Libby. Ana Lucia, Mr. Eko, per chance? We wondered if it was a factor if we hadn't seen the person in Sideways World, which might indicate that they had "moved on". Is there a connection between the 2 worlds on this... and if so does it matter when you died? Our brains started to steam here so we moved on.
Phyllis wondered if Desmond tried to kill Locke in Sideways World to prevent MIB from getting into his body. Thought it was a great scene when Ben checked Desmond out as a potential pervert. We think he used Charlie's name for his "child" because he had just seen him at the hospital. Of course it could be an echo from world to world, like when the name Aaron popped into Claire's mind when asked what she was going to name her baby.
Libby - was killed in the hatch before the first explosion... so does that effect her status in the 2 worlds? Fans of the show House: Phyllis reported that the actress will be appearing on that show as Wilson's ex-wife soon...I'm soooo happy!
Wondered - regarding the mental hospital - where was Dave? The imaginary (?) friend Hurley saw on the Island way back in the episode "Dave", #18, Season 2. BTW, we also saw Dr. Brooks in that episode, played by the same actor, Bruce Davison. Nice continuity. (Lostpedia is soooo handy!) It was nice to see the ole game room, though we wondered where was the fellow who gave Hurley the numbers though as I type I think: would he even exist in Sideways World and besides, Hurley was never there to hear him.
Phyllis (and someone else) expressed some feelings that all this is somehow anti-climatic... taking time to give anwers slows down the proceedings. Kristina hoped it wouldn't all end up being about Loooove. I think. Can't read my own writing... but we sort of got away from mushy love since, again, Constants don't have to be one's love interest.
Lisa brought up the question: Will the Black Rock being gone effect anything? And why didn't Smocke's group react to the explosion?
Happily everyone reminded me that Jin is with Widmore. I had sort of lost track of him. This is why it's good to have people to chat with about this show. I can't remember it all myself!
Kristina brought up how creepy it was that the 3 people Smocke needed to get on the plane just happened to wander into his camp. Just as she said it I thought - he knew they were coming...that's what he was waiting around for! Was he controlling Michael? Oh no!
General feeling that Widmore has same goal as Jacob...to keep Smokey on the Island to prevent disaster..
General question: is Sayid really dead? or just his soul, spirit? We want him HAPPY!!! (and some of us were happy that the actor, Naveen Andrews, 41, likes older women; some were disappointed - he has been with the actress Barbara Hershey (21 years his senior) for many years. [yeah IMDb.com!]
Did Smocke throw Desmond down the well because he knew he was going to try to kill "him" in Sideways World...or that he is just a threat in general? Is it the Well that holds the Donkey Wheel? Will Christian Shephard make an appearance? Feel like he will and that the character is very important. Can't be a coincidence that BOTH of his children ended up on the Island. Carol dropped in long enough to make the wonderful prediction: In all the Lassie shows (it seemed) someone would tell the heroic dog that someone (Timmy?) was trapped down a well and to go get help. Well, it seems only natural then that VINCENT will come and rescue Desmond! I LIKE it. OK, I LOVE IT.
Does Desmond really think that Smocke is John Locke, or does he know its really MIB and was messing with his mind? No one bought Doc Jensen's idea that Locke was always evil. Or something like that. Do feel its possible that getting to that Well was all part of Desmond's (and Widmore's) plan...they need to be close to the electromagnetism and Smocke lead them right to it.
Some eagle eyes noted an image in the previews of a face one half Claire and one half Locke. Creepy!!!
Kristina thought Smocke was taunting Desmond by asking him "how long did you push that button?"
Lisa wondered if there was a connection between Dr. Chang and Hurley but we just think its that Hurley made a donation to the museum...and it was a way to get to see our old friend. She also wondered why Libby started to remember the other world when she saw Hurley in a commercial and why he got memories back when they kissed... is one the other person's Constant? Is Sayid's problem that he doesn't have, or lost, his Constant?
So, see, we cleared up everything, HA HA HA.
That's it... oh, except we wondered how they were going to work 5 more episodes into 6 more dates... Lisa said she read somewhere that they are going to repeat Ab Aeterno one night. Let me know if you can confirm that anywhere.
ok, I'm beat...
Namaste, Yinz!
I started off noting something that really struck me watching the episode: the moments when Smocke seemed to lose his confidence...when that smug look of control fell and one caught a glimpse of fear in his eyes. Once when he saw the young boy - or another young boy, we thought this one was different, and we wondered if it was the bother of the other one. Another instance was when he heard Desmond's response to "Why aren't you afraid?" and another when he heard Desmond's confident answer to "do you know who I am?"
ILANA GOT BLOWN UP!!! what a way to go. It did strike us all as a bit weird that she was so NOT careful with the unstable dynamite from the Black Rock...I mean...dropping those water bottles on top of them in her bag did NOT seem smart. Just what was she trained for... military arts, spying, protecting strange ethereal beings? All of us were glad they didn't show the gore...though we supposed there wasn't anything left of her...must admit we did sort of want another Hugo-ism like "you've got some Ilana on you..." Ben's musings on the incident were priceless.
The Voices - who else might be stuck there? I thought it could be folks going back hundreds of years, but of the Flight 815 passengers we were sort of stumped. If a criteria is that you did something bad... sort of eliminates Boone, Shannon, and Libby. Ana Lucia, Mr. Eko, per chance? We wondered if it was a factor if we hadn't seen the person in Sideways World, which might indicate that they had "moved on". Is there a connection between the 2 worlds on this... and if so does it matter when you died? Our brains started to steam here so we moved on.
Phyllis wondered if Desmond tried to kill Locke in Sideways World to prevent MIB from getting into his body. Thought it was a great scene when Ben checked Desmond out as a potential pervert. We think he used Charlie's name for his "child" because he had just seen him at the hospital. Of course it could be an echo from world to world, like when the name Aaron popped into Claire's mind when asked what she was going to name her baby.
Libby - was killed in the hatch before the first explosion... so does that effect her status in the 2 worlds? Fans of the show House: Phyllis reported that the actress will be appearing on that show as Wilson's ex-wife soon...I'm soooo happy!
Wondered - regarding the mental hospital - where was Dave? The imaginary (?) friend Hurley saw on the Island way back in the episode "Dave", #18, Season 2. BTW, we also saw Dr. Brooks in that episode, played by the same actor, Bruce Davison. Nice continuity. (Lostpedia is soooo handy!) It was nice to see the ole game room, though we wondered where was the fellow who gave Hurley the numbers though as I type I think: would he even exist in Sideways World and besides, Hurley was never there to hear him.
Phyllis (and someone else) expressed some feelings that all this is somehow anti-climatic... taking time to give anwers slows down the proceedings. Kristina hoped it wouldn't all end up being about Loooove. I think. Can't read my own writing... but we sort of got away from mushy love since, again, Constants don't have to be one's love interest.
Lisa brought up the question: Will the Black Rock being gone effect anything? And why didn't Smocke's group react to the explosion?
Happily everyone reminded me that Jin is with Widmore. I had sort of lost track of him. This is why it's good to have people to chat with about this show. I can't remember it all myself!
Kristina brought up how creepy it was that the 3 people Smocke needed to get on the plane just happened to wander into his camp. Just as she said it I thought - he knew they were coming...that's what he was waiting around for! Was he controlling Michael? Oh no!
General feeling that Widmore has same goal as Jacob...to keep Smokey on the Island to prevent disaster..
General question: is Sayid really dead? or just his soul, spirit? We want him HAPPY!!! (and some of us were happy that the actor, Naveen Andrews, 41, likes older women; some were disappointed - he has been with the actress Barbara Hershey (21 years his senior) for many years. [yeah IMDb.com!]
Did Smocke throw Desmond down the well because he knew he was going to try to kill "him" in Sideways World...or that he is just a threat in general? Is it the Well that holds the Donkey Wheel? Will Christian Shephard make an appearance? Feel like he will and that the character is very important. Can't be a coincidence that BOTH of his children ended up on the Island. Carol dropped in long enough to make the wonderful prediction: In all the Lassie shows (it seemed) someone would tell the heroic dog that someone (Timmy?) was trapped down a well and to go get help. Well, it seems only natural then that VINCENT will come and rescue Desmond! I LIKE it. OK, I LOVE IT.
Does Desmond really think that Smocke is John Locke, or does he know its really MIB and was messing with his mind? No one bought Doc Jensen's idea that Locke was always evil. Or something like that. Do feel its possible that getting to that Well was all part of Desmond's (and Widmore's) plan...they need to be close to the electromagnetism and Smocke lead them right to it.
Some eagle eyes noted an image in the previews of a face one half Claire and one half Locke. Creepy!!!
Kristina thought Smocke was taunting Desmond by asking him "how long did you push that button?"
Lisa wondered if there was a connection between Dr. Chang and Hurley but we just think its that Hurley made a donation to the museum...and it was a way to get to see our old friend. She also wondered why Libby started to remember the other world when she saw Hurley in a commercial and why he got memories back when they kissed... is one the other person's Constant? Is Sayid's problem that he doesn't have, or lost, his Constant?
So, see, we cleared up everything, HA HA HA.
That's it... oh, except we wondered how they were going to work 5 more episodes into 6 more dates... Lisa said she read somewhere that they are going to repeat Ab Aeterno one night. Let me know if you can confirm that anywhere.
ok, I'm beat...
Namaste, Yinz!
Tuesday, April 13, 2010
Tidbits
First and foremost check this out:
Standings: NL EAST
Philadelphia .857
Florida .500
Washington .429
Atlanta .429
NY Mets .333
The Nats are not the Worst!!! the Nats are NOT the Worst!
OK, LOST... like, holy WOW, I have no idea what is happening...and I love it. 3 jaw dropping moments in one show*. Love, humor and an explanation of the Whispers. One more little thing: I don't think Smocke is quite as confident as he would like everyone to think. Desmond really shook him up with his not being afraid... he lost that creepy smile of his at least 3 times this episode.
I am too tired now to say much more so until I have had time to digest...and after my volunteer day tomorrow and who knows what... I will return. In the meantime... The Nats are Not the Worst!!!!
Namaste, Yinz!
*for me...Ilana's demise, Desmond's fall - yeah I knew it was coming but still..., and then his run down of Sideways Locke.
Standings: NL EAST
Philadelphia .857
Florida .500
Washington .429
Atlanta .429
NY Mets .333
The Nats are not the Worst!!! the Nats are NOT the Worst!
OK, LOST... like, holy WOW, I have no idea what is happening...and I love it. 3 jaw dropping moments in one show*. Love, humor and an explanation of the Whispers. One more little thing: I don't think Smocke is quite as confident as he would like everyone to think. Desmond really shook him up with his not being afraid... he lost that creepy smile of his at least 3 times this episode.
I am too tired now to say much more so until I have had time to digest...and after my volunteer day tomorrow and who knows what... I will return. In the meantime... The Nats are Not the Worst!!!!
Namaste, Yinz!
*for me...Ilana's demise, Desmond's fall - yeah I knew it was coming but still..., and then his run down of Sideways Locke.
Monday, April 12, 2010
Season 6 Episode List
I typed this up for my own use and thought some of you might find it of interest...useful...mysterious... so, here it is:
LOST SEASON 6 EPISODES
[Numbering according to ABC.com LOST site]
6.1 LA X pt. 1
6.2 LA X pt. 2
6.3 What Kate Does
6.4 The Substitute
6.5 Lighthouse
6.6 Sundown
6.7 Dr. Linus
6.8 Recon
6.9 Ab Aerterno
6.10 The Package
6.11 Happily Ever After
6.12 Everybody Loves Hugo
6.13 The Last Recruit
6.14 The Candidate
6.15 Across the Sea
6.16 What They Died For
6.17 and 6.18 THE END
LOST SEASON 6 EPISODES
[Numbering according to ABC.com LOST site]
6.1 LA X pt. 1
6.2 LA X pt. 2
6.3 What Kate Does
6.4 The Substitute
6.5 Lighthouse
6.6 Sundown
6.7 Dr. Linus
6.8 Recon
6.9 Ab Aerterno
6.10 The Package
6.11 Happily Ever After
6.12 Everybody Loves Hugo
6.13 The Last Recruit
6.14 The Candidate
6.15 Across the Sea
6.16 What They Died For
6.17 and 6.18 THE END
Friday, April 9, 2010
Tidbits, Updates
Just saw this at TVbytheNumbers.com:
ABC Schedule for Sunday, May 23:
7:00-8:00 p.m. “America’s Funniest Home Videos”
8:00-9:00 p.m. “Lost Recap Special”
9:00-11:00 p.m. “Lost” (Special Two-Hour Finale on a Special Night)
Also, I wanted to add a bit that in my heat induced stupor I neglected to put in my main 6.11 Post:
The Lovely Lisa shared this posting with the Lunch Bunch: http://www.fancast.com/blogs/2010/tv-news/lost-recap-happily-ever-after-the-power-of-love/?cmpid=FCST_tvnews
Most interesting information is the look at the list of names of main characters, their meanings, and the clue it may offer as to who is Jacob's successor. The author also claims that there is no coffee shop at the location that Penny gives Desmond. However, note that the Washington Post Ladies say there IS one near that intersection... I leave it to you, dear readers, to do your own investigations and come up with your own theories.
Last, but certainly not least...THE NATIONALS WON YESTERDAY!!!!!!
Yes, we beat the Phillies 6-5...so we already are starting with a better record than last year.
Namaste, Yinz!
ABC Schedule for Sunday, May 23:
7:00-8:00 p.m. “America’s Funniest Home Videos”
8:00-9:00 p.m. “Lost Recap Special”
9:00-11:00 p.m. “Lost” (Special Two-Hour Finale on a Special Night)
Also, I wanted to add a bit that in my heat induced stupor I neglected to put in my main 6.11 Post:
The Lovely Lisa shared this posting with the Lunch Bunch: http://www.fancast.com/blogs/2010/tv-news/lost-recap-happily-ever-after-the-power-of-love/?cmpid=FCST_tvnews
Most interesting information is the look at the list of names of main characters, their meanings, and the clue it may offer as to who is Jacob's successor. The author also claims that there is no coffee shop at the location that Penny gives Desmond. However, note that the Washington Post Ladies say there IS one near that intersection... I leave it to you, dear readers, to do your own investigations and come up with your own theories.
Last, but certainly not least...THE NATIONALS WON YESTERDAY!!!!!!
Yes, we beat the Phillies 6-5...so we already are starting with a better record than last year.
Namaste, Yinz!
Thursday, April 8, 2010
LOST Lunch 6.11 Happily Ever After
Your intrepid reporter schlepped downtown in our massive heatwave (OK, well, maybe not that bad today, but hey, I like sympathy too, you know...) to join with the gang to discuss the wonderful Desmond Centric "oh my heavens did they actually answer a question" episode...and yes, to see how Melissa came through it - she's fine. Thanks to the kindness of local LOST fan Leslie I got to wear a wonderful new t-shirt from Ian Leino which you can see here http://www.ianleino.com/ . Scroll down past those cool beer labels...yep, that's me in the photo...this shirt is soooo slimming, n'est pas? ;-)
Well, I started off by once again confessing to my guessing errors: there was no Libby, no funeral, no bagpipes... so, the gang wondered, just what is the sacrifice that Charles Widmore will ask of Desmond?
Carol informed the gang the Imdb.com (a really great website - under my links list for Movies) has a list of all the remaining episodes. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/episodes#season-6 [Note: They number the episodes so that last night's was 610. The Washington Post Lost Blog does, too. I go by the numbering at ABC.com where they broke the premiere into 2 parts, so Happily Ever After is listed as 611.] Next week's episode is "Everybody Loves Hugo" (we hope in a good non-lethal way) and there is the potentially ominous "What They Died For" as the penultimate episode. The series finale? What else: "The End".
This is where the discussion turned to Constants, a thread that weaved through the whole meeting. We wondered who the "...They..." were... those who weren't Constants, people that the MIB killed (and why?) and we certainly are hoping its no one new...but what are the odds of us being that lucky? Mr. Eko came up, we wondered if his brother was HIS Constant...so when he died it left Eko vulnerable.
Phyllis said she was confused. This was another recurring theme of our lunch discussion.
Oh, that answer we got... at least some of the folks in Sideways World ARE having vibes, if not downright memories, of the Island World.
Lisa and Melissa felt that there was too much of the Sideways World and not enough on the Island...but then they loved the focus on Desmond...
Carol remembered a Star Trek: Next Generation episode where Captain Picard is hit by an energy beam from a probe and loses consciousness; he spends most of the time living another life on a planet as, among other things, a flute maker and player. When he is revived (really only 25 minutes later) he retains the memories and knowledge of that civilization while able to return to his own life. See the full write up here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inner_Light_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation) Might the Sideways World be something similar?
I brought up my long held feeling that BOTH the Island World and the Sideways World were not meant to be, the results of explosions, mistakes... something. Widmore knows this somehow and is trying to put everything "right" but we don't know what that could be. Is he a good witch or a bad witch? He once wanted Ben to kill the baby Alex, something that seems totally evil. Can he be trusted now? Melissa commented that there is a lot of ambiguity about Good and Bad on the show.
Is Charlie Desmond's Constant? He seems to be acting like a Guardian Angel trying to guide Desmond. It was then a little light went off in my head... Charlie was "stepping in" - just like Richard had encouraged Jacob in their conversation on the beach. General discussion about Constants: No one gets through life alone, without guides, supporters, people to point the way at critical times. Everyone needs a Constant. If you don't have one nudging you along the path of Good you are very likely to get one who will push you the other way. Constants are these Guiding Voices to the Good.
Great Moment when Daniel pulled out his journal, Melissa thought sure it was going to be the page where he had written "Desmond is my Constant" - I just thought it a hoot - Mom gave him that thing in Sideways World, too! We loved when Mrs. Hawking, oops, Widmore, OK, ELOISE... when she first saw Desmond. Her "violation" line was soooo creepy. Cheers on the return of George Mankowski, too. The Painting in Widmore's office of the Scales of Justice, one white stone and one black one: Maybe in Sideways World Widmore was on the Island (and met his dear wife...) so are these another sign of that reality seeping through?
When Desmond regains consciousness on the Island it is preceded by White Clouds...very very similar to the ones we saw in the season premiere... the camera went through a window on Flt 815...through the clouds then down into the ocean...down to the ruins of the Island. That can't be just a co-inky dink! Are they a representation of a portal between the 2 realities? I believe that Desmond remembered Sideways World after he awoke in the Magnetic Doughnuts Room. Speaking of which, loved that I am not the only one who thought of the Flux Capacitor when they cranked that baby up! Pop culture nerds of the world UNITE!
All felt Sayid's brief appearance was very powerful...and creepy. But someone wondered if he might be filling a guardian role, too? Hmmmm.... I strongly felt that Desmond was so calm because he and Widmore had talked once he "came back"... Widmore told him a plan that included the need for Desmond to go back to the main Island. He probably knew that Sayid was there to "retrieve" Desmond - back to all that manipulation MIB and Widmore were doing. So, Desmond knew what was coming.
In my notes I have written "the girls got distracted by naked Desmond, so handsome...." yada, yada, yada. It was at the other end of the table and they do get rambunctious down there.... I don't know how it started, the discussion also included how good Desmond looked all cleaned up in that suit, especially, I think, when he went to Charles' office. Let me say here that things got a little, shall we say, the discussion took a less than intellectually based turn. Probably good that the fellows weren't there today...maybe they knew. But dang...Desmond is HOT!!!!
This is where Carol told us about her Tarot card reading on a trip to England in about 1995. It was her last day and she was using up her last English money...ok, blowing it on something fun. The person told her that a significant person in her life would be a man with a Scottish accent. !!!!! This is where we remembered that Phyllis actually saw Desmond (OK, Henry Ian Cusick) up at Comet on Connecticut Ave, NW, playing ping pong with his son. She was properly demure and did not intrude. DARN! So, we thought, maybe Carol will run into him sometime, too? She also reminded us that bagpipes are also an Irish thing...Irish like Charlie.
Great scene, though high on the WOW meter: Desmond and Charlie in the water, Charlie reliving his Looking Glass "Not Penny's Boat" moment. Wonder if Charlie really is conscious of the Island World, it seemed like he kept trying to kill himself to see the Blonde woman again. If he knew of the alternative world wouldn't he know killing himself wouldn't achieve anything - or...(I just thought) was it that sense of hopelessness that pushed him to suicide?
Is Desmond's salutation "See you in another life, Brotha" an indication that he has been through the Portals before? Does he know it on a subconscious level?
Is the Sacrifice that Desmond will have to stay on the Island? Does his ability to survive the electomagnetism bursts signify that he is tied to the Island...OF the Island somehow? If he has to stay, then we all felt that Penny and little Charlie better be there with him or we are going to be VERY not happy. And ...wait for it... could "Adam and Eve" really be DESMOND and PENNY?!?!?!? OoooooooH!!!!!!
Yes, for a brief moment we thought...if they are Adam and Eve, could little Charlie have grown up to be...CHARLES WIDMORE?!?!?!?!?!? Oi, Vay!
Is the coffee shop where Penny wants to meet Desmond for their first date the one where Libby met him to give him her boat in Island World?
HOPE REDEMPTION LOVE is that what its all about? Phyllis put it...the Answer to LOST is LOVE.
So here is where I put forth my most bizarro theory: In Sideways World, where the Island is destroyed, MIB succeeded in his escape plan. He destroyed the Island so he could never be put back in his prison. He is now in...Sydney! where he knows what Mrs. Widmore is up to...and so he took Christian Shepard's coffin off the plane! Eloise had told Ben that all had to be on the plane as close to the original Flt 815 as possible...including the body. What, you say, but this is Sideways World. Yes, but remember Eloise's reaction to seeing Desmond at the benefit... he was too soon, "in violation..." that weird, crafty woman knows LOTS more than where the fork should go! Now, we also came up with: Has Widmore ALWAYS known that Desmond needed to be on the Island? Is that why he was so mean to him...tried to keep him and Penny apart? Why he sponsored the sailing race that Desmond entered, the race that took him near the Island, where he crashed...like a certain other ship we know so well. Could it be that Eloise and Widmore have been working together for a loooong time, maybe in both worlds?
So, in other words, it IS all about Desmond!!!!!!!!!! not that that's a bad thing....
At this point we all admitted being confused and adjourned.
Namaste, Yinz
Well, I started off by once again confessing to my guessing errors: there was no Libby, no funeral, no bagpipes... so, the gang wondered, just what is the sacrifice that Charles Widmore will ask of Desmond?
Carol informed the gang the Imdb.com (a really great website - under my links list for Movies) has a list of all the remaining episodes. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/episodes#season-6 [Note: They number the episodes so that last night's was 610. The Washington Post Lost Blog does, too. I go by the numbering at ABC.com where they broke the premiere into 2 parts, so Happily Ever After is listed as 611.] Next week's episode is "Everybody Loves Hugo" (we hope in a good non-lethal way) and there is the potentially ominous "What They Died For" as the penultimate episode. The series finale? What else: "The End".
This is where the discussion turned to Constants, a thread that weaved through the whole meeting. We wondered who the "...They..." were... those who weren't Constants, people that the MIB killed (and why?) and we certainly are hoping its no one new...but what are the odds of us being that lucky? Mr. Eko came up, we wondered if his brother was HIS Constant...so when he died it left Eko vulnerable.
Phyllis said she was confused. This was another recurring theme of our lunch discussion.
Oh, that answer we got... at least some of the folks in Sideways World ARE having vibes, if not downright memories, of the Island World.
Lisa and Melissa felt that there was too much of the Sideways World and not enough on the Island...but then they loved the focus on Desmond...
Carol remembered a Star Trek: Next Generation episode where Captain Picard is hit by an energy beam from a probe and loses consciousness; he spends most of the time living another life on a planet as, among other things, a flute maker and player. When he is revived (really only 25 minutes later) he retains the memories and knowledge of that civilization while able to return to his own life. See the full write up here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inner_Light_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation) Might the Sideways World be something similar?
I brought up my long held feeling that BOTH the Island World and the Sideways World were not meant to be, the results of explosions, mistakes... something. Widmore knows this somehow and is trying to put everything "right" but we don't know what that could be. Is he a good witch or a bad witch? He once wanted Ben to kill the baby Alex, something that seems totally evil. Can he be trusted now? Melissa commented that there is a lot of ambiguity about Good and Bad on the show.
Is Charlie Desmond's Constant? He seems to be acting like a Guardian Angel trying to guide Desmond. It was then a little light went off in my head... Charlie was "stepping in" - just like Richard had encouraged Jacob in their conversation on the beach. General discussion about Constants: No one gets through life alone, without guides, supporters, people to point the way at critical times. Everyone needs a Constant. If you don't have one nudging you along the path of Good you are very likely to get one who will push you the other way. Constants are these Guiding Voices to the Good.
Great Moment when Daniel pulled out his journal, Melissa thought sure it was going to be the page where he had written "Desmond is my Constant" - I just thought it a hoot - Mom gave him that thing in Sideways World, too! We loved when Mrs. Hawking, oops, Widmore, OK, ELOISE... when she first saw Desmond. Her "violation" line was soooo creepy. Cheers on the return of George Mankowski, too. The Painting in Widmore's office of the Scales of Justice, one white stone and one black one: Maybe in Sideways World Widmore was on the Island (and met his dear wife...) so are these another sign of that reality seeping through?
When Desmond regains consciousness on the Island it is preceded by White Clouds...very very similar to the ones we saw in the season premiere... the camera went through a window on Flt 815...through the clouds then down into the ocean...down to the ruins of the Island. That can't be just a co-inky dink! Are they a representation of a portal between the 2 realities? I believe that Desmond remembered Sideways World after he awoke in the Magnetic Doughnuts Room. Speaking of which, loved that I am not the only one who thought of the Flux Capacitor when they cranked that baby up! Pop culture nerds of the world UNITE!
All felt Sayid's brief appearance was very powerful...and creepy. But someone wondered if he might be filling a guardian role, too? Hmmmm.... I strongly felt that Desmond was so calm because he and Widmore had talked once he "came back"... Widmore told him a plan that included the need for Desmond to go back to the main Island. He probably knew that Sayid was there to "retrieve" Desmond - back to all that manipulation MIB and Widmore were doing. So, Desmond knew what was coming.
In my notes I have written "the girls got distracted by naked Desmond, so handsome...." yada, yada, yada. It was at the other end of the table and they do get rambunctious down there.... I don't know how it started, the discussion also included how good Desmond looked all cleaned up in that suit, especially, I think, when he went to Charles' office. Let me say here that things got a little, shall we say, the discussion took a less than intellectually based turn. Probably good that the fellows weren't there today...maybe they knew. But dang...Desmond is HOT!!!!
This is where Carol told us about her Tarot card reading on a trip to England in about 1995. It was her last day and she was using up her last English money...ok, blowing it on something fun. The person told her that a significant person in her life would be a man with a Scottish accent. !!!!! This is where we remembered that Phyllis actually saw Desmond (OK, Henry Ian Cusick) up at Comet on Connecticut Ave, NW, playing ping pong with his son. She was properly demure and did not intrude. DARN! So, we thought, maybe Carol will run into him sometime, too? She also reminded us that bagpipes are also an Irish thing...Irish like Charlie.
Great scene, though high on the WOW meter: Desmond and Charlie in the water, Charlie reliving his Looking Glass "Not Penny's Boat" moment. Wonder if Charlie really is conscious of the Island World, it seemed like he kept trying to kill himself to see the Blonde woman again. If he knew of the alternative world wouldn't he know killing himself wouldn't achieve anything - or...(I just thought) was it that sense of hopelessness that pushed him to suicide?
Is Desmond's salutation "See you in another life, Brotha" an indication that he has been through the Portals before? Does he know it on a subconscious level?
Is the Sacrifice that Desmond will have to stay on the Island? Does his ability to survive the electomagnetism bursts signify that he is tied to the Island...OF the Island somehow? If he has to stay, then we all felt that Penny and little Charlie better be there with him or we are going to be VERY not happy. And ...wait for it... could "Adam and Eve" really be DESMOND and PENNY?!?!?!? OoooooooH!!!!!!
Yes, for a brief moment we thought...if they are Adam and Eve, could little Charlie have grown up to be...CHARLES WIDMORE?!?!?!?!?!? Oi, Vay!
Is the coffee shop where Penny wants to meet Desmond for their first date the one where Libby met him to give him her boat in Island World?
HOPE REDEMPTION LOVE is that what its all about? Phyllis put it...the Answer to LOST is LOVE.
So here is where I put forth my most bizarro theory: In Sideways World, where the Island is destroyed, MIB succeeded in his escape plan. He destroyed the Island so he could never be put back in his prison. He is now in...Sydney! where he knows what Mrs. Widmore is up to...and so he took Christian Shepard's coffin off the plane! Eloise had told Ben that all had to be on the plane as close to the original Flt 815 as possible...including the body. What, you say, but this is Sideways World. Yes, but remember Eloise's reaction to seeing Desmond at the benefit... he was too soon, "in violation..." that weird, crafty woman knows LOTS more than where the fork should go! Now, we also came up with: Has Widmore ALWAYS known that Desmond needed to be on the Island? Is that why he was so mean to him...tried to keep him and Penny apart? Why he sponsored the sailing race that Desmond entered, the race that took him near the Island, where he crashed...like a certain other ship we know so well. Could it be that Eloise and Widmore have been working together for a loooong time, maybe in both worlds?
So, in other words, it IS all about Desmond!!!!!!!!!! not that that's a bad thing....
At this point we all admitted being confused and adjourned.
Namaste, Yinz
Wednesday, April 7, 2010
6.11 ...
Well, that was AMAZING!!!!!!!!!! Let me be the first to say boy wasn't I chasing down the wrong roads, huh?!?! Except...we did get a wonderful answer to my question - Penny most certainly was found in the Sideways world.
Now, those sneaky buggers and their previews that show scenes from shows down the road... that Amazing Grace will just drive me nuts... is it being played for Desmond? But then who else could play bagpipes? Maybe its being played BY Desmond for someone else?
And was it just me or did that scene of Sayid "rescuing" Desmond from Widmore's people seem like...just what they intended to happen? How else to get Desmond back over to the main Island?
OK, I really have to go... see you when I have had more of a chance to mull all this over...but YEAH PENNY AND DESMOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in both worlds.
Namaste, Yinz
Now, those sneaky buggers and their previews that show scenes from shows down the road... that Amazing Grace will just drive me nuts... is it being played for Desmond? But then who else could play bagpipes? Maybe its being played BY Desmond for someone else?
And was it just me or did that scene of Sayid "rescuing" Desmond from Widmore's people seem like...just what they intended to happen? How else to get Desmond back over to the main Island?
OK, I really have to go... see you when I have had more of a chance to mull all this over...but YEAH PENNY AND DESMOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in both worlds.
Namaste, Yinz
Tuesday, April 6, 2010
Tidbits pre:6.11 Happily Ever After
Well, everyone excited about tonight's episode???? Desmond lovers are on the edge of their Lazy Boys wondering what fate awaits Our Constant!
I wonder…will we see more on how Desmond and Libby connect? (I always suspected she was related to Widmore.) …is that vessel that’s seen sinking in the previews Penny’s boat in Oceanic 6 world? Is Penny even in Sideways World? And no, I'm not trusting the title of the episode...
And then there’s Amazing Grace… is it being played at a funeral (as we fear) or over a spiritual, or other, awakening? See below for info on the background of the hymn from Wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazing_Grace … am I alone in seeing some familiar chords with LOST? [I know, sorry, couldn't resist...]
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"Amazing Grace" is a Christian hymn written by English poet and clergyman John Newton (1725–1807) published in 1779. With a message that forgiveness and redemption is possible regardless of the sins people commit and that the soul can be delivered from despair through the mercy of God, "Amazing Grace" is one of the most recognizable songs in the English-speaking world.
Newton wrote the words from personal experience. He grew up without any particular religious conviction but his life's path was formed by a variety of twists and coincidences that were often put into motion by his recalcitrant insubordination. He was pressed into the Royal Navy and became a sailor, eventually participating in the slave trade. One night a terrible storm battered his vessel so severely that he became frightened enough to call out to God for mercy, a moment that marked the beginning of his spiritual conversion. His career in slave trading lasted a few years more until he quit going to sea altogether and began studying theology.
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So, also want to alert you that I WILL be making a visit to the K Street Lost Lunchers (JOY!) so there will be a full report sometime Thursday evening...or Friday depending on how vaklempt I am... we are.... you know what I mean!!!!
Namaste, Yinz
I wonder…will we see more on how Desmond and Libby connect? (I always suspected she was related to Widmore.) …is that vessel that’s seen sinking in the previews Penny’s boat in Oceanic 6 world? Is Penny even in Sideways World? And no, I'm not trusting the title of the episode...
And then there’s Amazing Grace… is it being played at a funeral (as we fear) or over a spiritual, or other, awakening? See below for info on the background of the hymn from Wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazing_Grace … am I alone in seeing some familiar chords with LOST? [I know, sorry, couldn't resist...]
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"Amazing Grace" is a Christian hymn written by English poet and clergyman John Newton (1725–1807) published in 1779. With a message that forgiveness and redemption is possible regardless of the sins people commit and that the soul can be delivered from despair through the mercy of God, "Amazing Grace" is one of the most recognizable songs in the English-speaking world.
Newton wrote the words from personal experience. He grew up without any particular religious conviction but his life's path was formed by a variety of twists and coincidences that were often put into motion by his recalcitrant insubordination. He was pressed into the Royal Navy and became a sailor, eventually participating in the slave trade. One night a terrible storm battered his vessel so severely that he became frightened enough to call out to God for mercy, a moment that marked the beginning of his spiritual conversion. His career in slave trading lasted a few years more until he quit going to sea altogether and began studying theology.
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So, also want to alert you that I WILL be making a visit to the K Street Lost Lunchers (JOY!) so there will be a full report sometime Thursday evening...or Friday depending on how vaklempt I am... we are.... you know what I mean!!!!
Namaste, Yinz
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