Sorry for the delay but your intrepid reporter had to do some research before returning to share yesterday's big event. A large turnout including, as far as I know, the historic presence of TWO, yes TWO men, our long time attendee Bryan and newcomer Craig. Also there were Athina, Carol, Lisa, Melissa, Laura, Phyllis, and Kristina. (I hope I got everyone, there was some coming and going....) I admit the enthusiasm and passion made it difficult for me to keep up but I gave it my best shot.
One of the recaps that was discussed, and I admit previously unkonwn to me, was at FANCAST by Tracy Phillips at http://www.fancast.com/blogs/2010/tv-news/lost-recap-ab-aeterno/ It has some interesting takes on the episode that generated a lot of discussion and is worth a look. But one struck me and I had to check out. The idea, though very fun at first read, that the 2 bodies Kate and Sawyer found in the waterfall cove back in Season One, Episode 12, could be Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan is so not possible. Yes, I went back and watched it last night. First, both bodies still have flesh and clothing on them, which would seem impossible after 67 years! Second, they seem to be in passenger seats, not cockpit chairs, and lastly, stuck underneath their seat is the metal briefcase that Kate is obsessed with retrieving through the entire episode. It contains a treasured momento - the small toy plane - that symbolizes her lost love. So, nice try, but NO. Now, could they be the bodies in the cave where Jack found fresh water?
That's more of a possibility - I watched that scene, too last night. (I know, I spare nothing for you and LOST!) Jack finds the cave in the famous White Rabbit, Epidsode 6 of Season One. Its amazing to watch now, watching him chase after his father, and being guided by Locke to take command of the survivors. Yes, Jack is encouraged by Locke to lead. When he asks Locke how the people are, Locke answers "Thirsty, hungry, and looking for someone to tell them what to do." Holy tie-in, Batman, I thought of Jacob's saying he wanted people to come and be good without him having to step in, and Richard pointing out the obvious that if he doesn't guide them they will look to someone else...someone or something a bit more...dark, n'est pas? This is also the episode where Locke says "I have looked into the eye of the Island and what I saw was beautiful." At the end of this episode, Jack comes back to the beach and takes command, gets people to start working together. Lots to consider here - just who was guiding whom, is Christian a version of Jacob, was Locke already on the MIB recruitment squad? But I will leave that now.
Its the next episode, #7, when they actually go into the cave and discover the bodies. I was much surprised to find my memory in error, that they are near each other, not side by side. Jack says that they had to be there for 40 - 50 years for the clothing to be so degraded. Granted that's a guesstimate, but it still seems to fit them being Rose and Bernard, left back in 1977, they could have lived another 20 years. I was looking primarily to see if there were a shot of those pesky black and white stones. Yes, as Jack is looking over the first body he found, he pulls off a small leather bag and out come the stones, but they appear much shinier and smaller than the white one Jacob gave MIB. So, put that in our box of mysteries. Curiously, when Locke comes into the cave he asks who Jack thinks the men might have been, but Jack says no, one body is a female. Locke then says "our very own Adam and Eve".
OK, Lunch. I started by asking if we could all agree that the response to this episode was WOW!!! No one contradicted and the motion passed.
I brought up the importance of the great Jacob/Richard conversation on the beach and THE MOMENT when Richard pointed out the flaw in Jacob's thinking of non-involvement. What a great look on Jacob's face...talk about the light dawning. Also, it means Jacob LEARNED from a mere human. I don't begin to know yet what Jacob is...but he certainly had his teachable moment.
The other wonderful moment...Hurley appearing out of the jungle when all thought it was going to be MIB.
Lots of discussion on the nature of MIB and Jacob and is it only MIB who can take on other forms? Can Jacob? We know that the Isabella who appeared in the Black Rock to Richard was most likely (ok, I feel certain anyway) MIB doing a sick mind manipulation number on Richard. Lisa brought up the idea that Jacob may also be able to take on other forms (the rather prominant butterfly that appeared in the Black Rock with Richard was pointed out) was kicked around. Might he have been Kate's horse, and possibly VINCENT!?!?!?! OK, you know how I feel about Vincent... (what's DOG backwards?) so tread lightly. I just want to point out that Vincent spent a lot of time off the Island (or did Jacob do to him what MIB did to Lockes body - oh no!!!) so I think its a long shot, but........ Also discussion on whether Jacob literally took over MIB's body (Craig's theory) or just took it from him and destroyed it so he couldn't leave. Melissa wondered if MIB was waiting for a special body - with certain qualities we don't yet know, maybe one where he can take over mind AND body; the WILL, The Spirit inside that must be conquered. Lisa brought up the question of WHO told Ben that Locke's body had to be on the plane for the gang to get back to the Island. We felt it was Mrs. Hawking. Oh, what side is she on? Dharma, Others, MIB, Widmore, and just who and what ARE the sides?
The instruction by MIB (told to Sayid by Dogen on his way to kill Smocke, too) to strike at Jacob before he has a chance to say anything made us wonder. Craig felt its part of the game between them. Though it just came to me...if that's all it took for Jacob to defeat Richard, why go to the trouble of going all kung fu fighter on him? Lisa brought up the great scene of Jacob convincing Richard he wasn't dead by...trying to drown him! We all concurred. It was also pointed out that it was like a baptism; was it the "cleaning of the slate" that Jacob gave all the people he brought to the island? I think it was also Lisa who brought up that Richard is not off the hook from the MIB. He had been made to promise MIB "to do what I tell you" - kill Jacob - to get his freedom, but Richard never fulfilled his promise. So, are dire consequences coming?
Carol said that this Jacob reminded her of the more human Jesus depicted in the musical Jesus Christ Superstar. (see, we do cover a lot of ground.) This raised a question from someone as to the difference between disciples (followers at anytime) and The Apostles - described as Jesus' BFF's. Hmmm, sort of like the Others (disciples) and the Candidates, per chance? THEN we got into could MIB be Satan/Judas; although that horrible priest at Richard's prison certainly fit the Judas bill more, complete with the possible 30 pieces of silver from the first mate. Here Phyllis brought up the discussion at the Washington Post Ladies Blog http://voices.washingtonpost.com/celebritology/2010/03/lost_dueling_analysis_ab_aeter.html (fast becoming my favorite, sorry Doc.) on the reference to Luke 23 - "Physician, heal thyself". Jack's number is 23. Craig pointed out the irony of Locke, once having been the man of faith (lost it when he was about to hang himself) is now the MIB; Jack, once the man of science is now the man of faith, demonstrated by his dynamite fuse burn with Richard. Maybe when Smokey/MIB scoped out Locke back in Season 1 he got a sense of how he could be manipulated through his longing for faith, a place to belong, a home. Like seeing the moves in a chess game far in advance to the point of checkmate, MIB saw how he could move Locke to get other pieces into position, namely, to ultimately stoke Ben's rage into killing Jacob.
Who is MIB? Who was he, I guess to be more precise. All thought it is going to be a big shock moment when we find out. Candidates: Michael, Walt, Cain, all we know is it BETTER NOT BE DESMOND!!!
Craig said he read on a blog that it is Aaron locked in the room on Widmore's sub.
It was reported that a certain partner who is a fan of the show speculated about the scene with Isabella and Hurley and Richard. We never see and or hear her say Richard must make sure the MIB never leaves, and that it made him suspicious. Was it really Isabella who gave the instruction to Hurley, or could it have been Jacob?
Bryan said he was just still confused, and I think we all agreed. Someone brought up that Ben failed all his test's but now appears on the road to a form of redemption. I think he did finally pass a test when he didn't kill Ilana and chose to go with her and not return to Smocke and to power.
We ended this wild and spirited meeting of the minds with our usual question: WHERE IS DESMOND?
I hope I captured a little of the ideas that were flying around that room. I think I was able to note about half or less of what was being thrown out. If only I had one of those cool recording devices from the CIA or U.N.C.L.E. So, I did the best I could. I do recommend checking out the websites mentioned here and listed on the left side of the Blog's main page under the photo. This episode generated a lot of material and I haven't gotten to read it all myself.
I do still feel that Jacob, while not a god, is still the better side than MIB. And I am still waiting for someone to remember that there is another Kwon out there!!!! Ok, I have to go for now.
Namaste, Yinz!
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